A lot of Elias notes/quotes

[RarityFlaherty]

3 minutes ago, baltfan said:

He can opt out and says he will

That could definitely be an interesting option. If we’re giving out any type of long term contract, I’d probably rather take that chance on the younger guy though. 

[Roll Tide]

3 hours ago, btdart20 said:

Agreed.  The family situation has me concerned too.  We need two good starters. 

And I think they are hoarding as much money as possible knowing they have to sell when Peter passes. 

[baltfan]

1 hour ago, RarityFlaherty said:

That could definitely be an interesting option. If we’re giving out any type of long term contract, I’d probably rather take that chance on the younger guy though. 

Look at the market there really isn’t anybody out there. DeGrom is the most worth it

Edited August 3, 2022 by baltfan

[7Mo]

46 minutes ago, baltfan said:

Look at the market there really isn’t anybody out there. DeGrom is the most worth it

Elias doesn't strike me as the guy who will chase the popular names with big money contracts. IMO, he's going to chase a higher class of Jordan Lyles, Spenser Watkins, Austin Voth, Tyler Wells....guys they believe in based on numbers and analytics they don't share with the public.  

I think the board here will be underwhelmed during the winter, just like they were with Jordan Lyles. But Elias has things he  believes in. We'll see. I really like the approach. I hope it works. And my unconfirmed conspiracy is that Elias took Phillips66 believing he had Mullins traded to the Marlins for a big time starter and it fell thru at the last minute. 

[ChuckS]

27 minutes ago, 7Mo said:

Elias doesn't strike me as the guy who will chase the popular names with big money contracts. IMO, he's going to chase a higher class of Jordan Lyles, Spenser Watkins, Austin Voth, Tyler Wells....guys they believe in based on numbers and analytics they don't share with the public.  

I think the board here will be underwhelmed during the winter, just like they were with Jordan Lyles. But Elias has things he  believes in. We'll see. I really like the approach. I hope it works. And my unconfirmed conspiracy is that Elias took Phillips66 believing he had Mullins traded to the Marlins for a big time starter and it fell thru at the last minute. 

I'm not sure we see the 7/250 type contracts dished out.  

But maybe we can sign some quality veteran SP's who are already well into their 30's for some 2/40 and 3/60 type deals.  I'm struggling to think of any examples off the top of my head but I feel like they've been more common over the last several years. 

Looking at pending free agents: Chris Sale, The Ageless Charlie Morton (if the Braves don't pick up his 20 million dollar option), Corey Kluber, and Jose Quintana might fit that mold.

[WarehouseChatter]

I was jazzed about the quotes.  @interloper- you seem excited too and I share that.  We have lots of skeptics on the board and I understand why, but this just feels different.  Elias has done everything he said he would do since he took the job.  This organization may be in the best shape it’s been, too to bottom, since the late 70’s/early 80’s.  I mean it.  It’s a “system” and not dysfunctional, siloed, “pieces” that lack strategy and cohesion.  I’m pumped - for ‘22 and beyond!

[nvpacchi]

I'd love to go hard on 2 Padres FAs: Joe Musgrove and Sean Manaea

 

Musgrove is just bonafide good now, but he likely gets overpayed. Manaea coming off a meh year could be a good value option, plus benefit from the new cavernous LF.  10 expected HRs at Camden versus the 18 he's given up.

[DirtyBird]

4 minutes ago, nvpacchi said:

I'd love to go hard on 2 Padres FAs: Joe Musgrove and Sean Manaea

 

Musgrove is just bonafide good now, but he likely gets overpayed. Manaea coming off a meh year could be a good value option, plus benefit from the new cavernous LF.  10 expected HRs at Camden versus the 18 he's given up.

Musgrove just signed an extension

[Remember The Alomar]

8 minutes ago, nvpacchi said:

I'd love to go hard on 2 Padres FAs: Joe Musgrove and Sean Manaea

 

Musgrove is just bonafide good now, but he likely gets overpayed. Manaea coming off a meh year could be a good value option, plus benefit from the new cavernous LF.  10 expected HRs at Camden versus the 18 he's given up.

Sorry to be lazy, but where do you find the stats on expected HRs for pitchers in a given stadium?

[cheecks]

I love the moves Elias has made so far, he's earned my trust. I think it was a no brainer trading Mancini and Lopez. Haven't seen this posted about Povich, one of the prospects gotten from Lopez, Elias says:

"We’ve got a tremendous bullpen and a deep bullpen and guys that can step in. And if we’re able to get four pitching prospects, particularly Cade Povich is somebody that we’re very, very high on internally, and think we’ve got a possible front-of-the-rotation starter and a guy that’s going to be in the mid-minors here before the end of the year..."

[Frobby]

39 minutes ago, Remember The Alomar said:

Sorry to be lazy, but where do you find the stats on expected HRs for pitchers in a given stadium?

Go to any player page on baseballsavant.com and scroll towards the bottom of the page and you’ll see it.  

[Roll Tide]

9 hours ago, ChuckS said:

I'm not sure we see the 7/250 type contracts dished out.  

But maybe we can sign some quality veteran SP's who are already well into their 30's for some 2/40 and 3/60 type deals.  I'm struggling to think of any examples off the top of my head but I feel like they've been more common over the last several years. 

Looking at pending free agents: Chris Sale, The Ageless Charlie Morton (if the Braves don't pick up his 20 million dollar option), Corey Kluber, and Jose Quintana might fit that mold.

If you look at his stats Quintana looks like a Cashner clone statistically. His season this year was way out of line with the typical. I sure hope this isn’t what Elias means.

[nvpacchi]

9 hours ago, DirtyBird said:

Musgrove just signed an extension

argh!  missed that one! Still like the idea of Manaea on a midrange deal.

[Sports Guy]

9 hours ago, cheecks said:

I love the moves Elias has made so far, he's earned my trust. I think it was a no brainer trading Mancini and Lopez. Haven't seen this posted about Povich, one of the prospects gotten from Lopez, Elias says:

"We’ve got a tremendous bullpen and a deep bullpen and guys that can step in. And if we’re able to get four pitching prospects, particularly Cade Povich is somebody that we’re very, very high on internally, and think we’ve got a possible front-of-the-rotation starter and a guy that’s going to be in the mid-minors here before the end of the year..."

I think they were high in Kevin Smith too.  Came to the organization and was ranked 12th.

Is Povich any different than Lowther?  Lowther was dominant in the low minors too.

 

[Riggodrill44]

Martin Perez would check all the boxes. Free agent after this year,31 yo.  Probably a 3 year deal for 40-50million gets it done.