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Mussina a Hall of Famer?

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I definitely don't think he is a sure-fire hall of famer. He is borderline (mostly because of the lack of a cy young or 20 win season), so I think it will depend on how he does at the end of his career.

Edit: I seem to remember Drungo posting a sabermetric article a while ago that said that from a statistical standpoint he should get in. It could have been about Curt Schilling, though, I'm not sure.

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I agree...I don't think he's a shoe-in.

He had better numbers with the O's. I think he jumped ship due to many reasons, one hoping that he would definitely have a World Series ring. I always hoped that he'd grow weary of the Yankees, due to really nothing happening with his career. I would love for him to come back to Baltimore & finish his career here. Plus, if he still lives in PA, he would be near his home.

Maybe a few years back in an O's uniform would bring back some of his numbers. We have a better starting rotation than the Yanks, & that could always look good to the O's. Plus with the addition to Moose, maybe we could attract some outside attention from free agents.

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Unless Mussina loses more than he wins from here on out, I believe he'd be the only pitcher in baseball not to get a plaque in Cooperstown (if they don't vote him in) to have at least 100 more wins than losses.

Thaty makes me say he'll get in. Deservedly.

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"Only pitcher with x stat not in the hall of fame" type arguments aside, I think Moose should be HOF. Spent his whole career pretty much post home-run explosion, and half of it in a bandbox, and still gave you 220 innings and 200 strikeouts and a 3-ish ERA like every year.

Six 9+ WARP3 seasons, three of them are 10+. Career 122 WARP3, and there's a reasonable argument to be made that if he'd spent his whole career here he'd be the best Oriole pitcher ever.

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"Only pitcher with x stat not in the hall of fame" type arguments aside, I think Moose should be HOF. Spent his whole career pretty much post home-run explosion, and half of it in a bandbox, and still gave you 220 innings and 200 strikeouts and a 3-ish ERA like every year.

Six 9+ WARP3 seasons, three of them are 10+. Career 122 WARP3, and there's a reasonable argument to be made that if he'd spent his whole career here he'd be the best Oriole pitcher ever.

Yeah, i think he's a HOF'er, and by a decent margin. However, I'm not confident he'll be voted in due to the lack of a 20 win season and/or Cy Young award.

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Yeah, i think he's a HOF'er, and by a decent margin. However, I'm not confident he'll be voted in due to the lack of a 20 win season and/or Cy Young award.

I agree, and it looks like 300 is out of reach at this point. He'll probably end up a Bert Blyleven for a new generation.

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I agree, and it looks like 300 is out of reach at this point. He'll probably end up a Bert Blyleven for a new generation.

While Blyleven won 287 games, he also lost 250. Mussina would need a lot of 5-19 seasons to get there.

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I don't know if he is worthy ?? I do not think he is a "sure fire" HOF'er. He may be a HOF'er but by no means is he a slam dunk.

FWIW, Mark Mussina (Mike's younger brother) was being interviewed one morning last week by Drew on WNST. He was asked if he thought his brother was a HOFer. Mark thinks Mike still needs to have a few more good seasons to get closer to 300 to have a decent shot.

Mike was very good for a long time. But, was he "great" ?

I guess it depends on who you ask. He is definitely a borderline case.

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I don't think he is a hall of famer. No 20 win seasons and no world series ring seals it for me. If he does, it should be as an Oriole. What is his Oriole record, compared to his Yankee record?

In 1995 and 1996 he definnately won 20 games, unfortunately the bullpen blew the leads when he left the games and never got the wins.

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I don't know if he is worthy ?? I do not think he is a "sure fire" HOF'er. He may be a HOF'er but by no means is he a slam dunk.

FWIW, Mark Mussina (Mike's younger brother) was being interviewed one morning last week by Drew on WNST. He was asked if he thought his brother was a HOFer. Mark thinks Mike still needs to have a few more good seasons to get closer to 300 to have a decent shot.

Mike was very good for a long time. But, was he "great" ?

I guess it depends on who you ask. He is definitely a borderline case.

Yes, he was great in '92, '94, '95, and '01, borderline great in about 4 other seasons.

He's been in the top 6 in the AL in ERA 9 times, 4 of those being top 3. 7 times in the top 5 in wins including 1st once. 10 times in the top 5 in WHIP, 6 of those in the top 3. 8 times in the top 6 in k's/9.

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