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4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

They are all touchable for the right price.

You're not wrong conceptually, but in a practical sense the top group may as well be. Maybe if the Braves wanted to trade Spencer Strider for some crazy reason. Otherwise I don't see where you'd find the right combination of talent and controllable years for it to make sense for the O's to give up those kind of assets. Leaving aside the issue of taking on large contracts. 

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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If you want to upgrade the pitching you will have to give up one, or more, players that other teams covet.

All of this oh no, not that one...that's going to get you a bullpen version of Cole Irvin.

Give up quality to get quality.

Exactly, and most of the guys that we (on here) want to see traded......are not coveted by other teams......my opinion. 

To your point about everyone being touchable.....sure, Elias will listen to offers for a Jordan Westburg among others, but I don't think he's interested in moving him at all at this time. 

I think Jordan is in the same camp as Jackson, Gunnar, Colton, Heston and Adley.....I don't think they're going anywhere, anytime soon. 

And yes, I could be wrong about that.....

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I think recently we have been quick to call players "redundant". Ortiz could take Mateo and Frazier's at-bats right now and that would result in legitimate playing time. Going forward, Urias may be not have as much appeal as he turns 30 and becomes more expensive. Yeah Holliday looks special but he is 19 and in A ball. Henderson hasn't shown he can hit LHP and there's uncertainty around Westburg (make no mistake I believe in both of them very much). Norby hasn't been outstanding for the Tides when you consider the analysis from @Frobbythat the AAA hitting environment is juiced this year. Prieto isn't that highly regarded of a prospect. Even if everyone works out it's a good thing to have talented players "on your bench". You need more than 3 players to take up your 2B/SS/3B at-bats. Joey Ortiz is not blocked now or in the near future. 

 

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I am not trading Ortiz.  He is probably my 2B next year.    

I am not trading Hall.  He is at least a reliever next year.

I am not trading Urias.  He is a valued Utility IF next year.

I agree that Hays, Mullins and Santander are off the table at the deadline.  I would trade Santander this off season.

On the table at the deadline: Hicks, Frazier, Stowers, Norby, and Haskin.    

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Just now, wildcard said:

I am not trading Ortiz.  He is probably my 2B next year.    

I am not trading Hall.  He is at least a reliever next year.

I am not trading Urias.  He is a valued Utility IF next year.

I agree that Hays, Mullins and Santander are off the table at the deadline.  I would trade Santander this off season.

On the table at the deadline: Hicks, Frazier, Stowers, Norby, and Haskin.    

So you are not interesting in upgrading the team via trade.

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17 minutes ago, Sanity Check said:

I agree with this, but think Westburg might not be touchable right now.

Tough to say. They gave Ortiz the chance earlier and we know they value defense and he is the better defensive player.

OTOH, Westburg has gotten the playing time that Ortiz didn’t get.  Of course, it has become even easier to take at bats away from the vet IFers as they continue to falter.

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Just now, Sports Guy said:

They absolutely could upgrade the team trading Norby, Stowers and Haskin.

I don't think Stowers or Haskin get you more than an incremental upgrade.  You might be able to get a better return for Norby but I figured if he's not willing to trade Hall he's not going to give up Norby.

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Let’s assume that our rotation after the ASB will be Wells, Bradish, Kremer, Gibson, Rodriguez. Who is coming out of the rotation for a Giolito or Montgomery? Is Giolito or Montgomery an upgrade enough to justify a trade?  
 

Our best touchable trade bait is probably Urias, Mateo, Norby, Stowers, Vavra, and McKenna. 

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12 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If you want to upgrade the pitching you will have to give up one, or more, players that other teams covet.

All of this oh no, not that one...that's going to get you a bullpen version of Cole Irvin.

Give up quality to get quality.

Historically speaking, that has not always been the case. For example, the Astros acquired Greinke from the Dbacks while giving up a package that included (per MLB Pipeline) the 81st and 97th ranked prospects. Looking at the current rankings, they have Ortiz and Norby in the 60s. Basallo is 100. They have Mayo at 77, but this was a May update, before he went nuts in June, so I imagine he'd be higher now. The key is that Greinke had a huge contract, which drove down his price in terms of prospects. Arizona only got the package that they did by agreeing to pay a third of the remaining money. If the O's are willing to take on that sort of contract, then they can absolutely pick up a pitcher without giving up one of the key prospect group. 

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For the highest return - Austin Hays.

For the least impact to today's team while maintaining tomorrow's course - The MI depth (Mateo, Urias, Ortiz, Norby, Prieto, Frazier)

And if it's for an SP, then whoever he's bumping is touchable - Kremer?  Gibson?

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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think Stowers or Haskin get you more than an incremental upgrade.  You might be able to get a better return for Norby but I figured if he's not willing to trade Hall he's not going to give up Norby.

He specifically mentioned Norby as players on the table to trade.

There are many others as well.

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