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20 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

He was not eligible. Probably at #9 or 10 overall. I still believe Stowers is going to hit.

Thanks!  I realize he wasn’t eligible.  I was just curious how his talent level would fall in with the 2023 prospects.  Thats right around where I thought he’d fall in talent wise.  

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Thanks for all the hard work. In looking at this list what jumps out at me (duh) is the lack of pitching. It's a weakness we all realize on some level, but seeing it here in black and white certainly brings it home. Hopefully Elias & Co. have their eyes on some college arms for those 3 top 40 draft picks next summer. 

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23 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Teddy Sharkey is a name that jumps out to me that I feel belongs on this list but I also understand why he’s not.

He was in consideration for the end of the list, but I just didn't see enough of him yet to make that call on 7th round pick reliever. There is some talent there but there's also a reason he lasted until the 7th round.

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55 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

He was in consideration for the end of the list, but I just didn't see enough of him yet to make that call on 7th round pick reliever. There is some talent there but there's also a reason he lasted until the 7th round.

Yep, which is why I said there is an argument for him not to be on the list.

That said, every once in a while, a video will pop up about him and what he did in the college and the stuff he had.

I think a guy who is a reliever only and isnt throwing 100+ in college on every pitch can be expected to slip some.

Maybe all the way to the 7th round is a bit far but this was supposed to be a very good and deep draft, so maybe that effected his stock.

Either, my expectations of him are pretty high. I think he moves fast this year and wouldn’t be shocked if he is in the mix for a ML BP spot by the end of the year if needed.

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Of Rom, Prieto and Showalter, curious where people think the best one would have slotted into this year's list?

Hudson Haskin's about to turn 25 with almost $2 million of Mike Elias' pool money, and hasn't returned much yet while missing this year's 30.   I believe John Rhodes, Carter Young, and Maikol Hernandez are Elias' other millionaires who missed the cut this year.      Haskin's a maybe to inherit McKenna's role if the Sigbot prefers him to AAAA waiver fodder like Hilliard.

The others - some of B-U-S-T may be drifting from pencil to ink.     That's to be expected of course - overall success rate is high, which makes the few failures a bit more interesting to explore.

It feels like good chance here Hernandez is 4th guy if we make some big trade.

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6 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Of Rom, Prieto and Showalter, curious where people think the best one would have slotted into this year's list?

Hudson Haskin's about to turn 25 with almost $2 million of Mike Elias' pool money, and hasn't returned much yet while missing this year's 30.   I believe John Rhodes, Carter Young, and Maikol Hernandez are Elias' other millionaires who missed the cut this year.      Haskin's a maybe to inherit McKenna's role if the Sigbot prefers him to AAAA waiver fodder like Hilliard.

The others - some of B-U-S-T may be drifting from pencil to ink.     That's to be expected of course - overall success rate is high, which makes the few failures a bit more interesting to explore.

It feels like good chance here Hernandez is 4th guy if we make some big trade.

Prieto could have been as high as 12 but at worst somewhere between there and 20.  Baumler is #22.  Showalter might be around there or lower.  Rom, I’d guess might be 25-30 or not even on the list.

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16 minutes ago, Just Regular said:

Of Rom, Prieto and Showalter, curious where people think the best one would have slotted into this year's list?

Hudson Haskin's about to turn 25 with almost $2 million of Mike Elias' pool money, and hasn't returned much yet while missing this year's 30.   I believe John Rhodes, Carter Young, and Maikol Hernandez are Elias' other millionaires who missed the cut this year.      Haskin's a maybe to inherit McKenna's role if the Sigbot prefers him to AAAA waiver fodder like Hilliard.

The others - some of B-U-S-T may be drifting from pencil to ink.     That's to be expected of course - overall success rate is high, which makes the few failures a bit more interesting to explore.

It feels like good chance here Hernandez is 4th guy if we make some big trade.

Prieto is the best prospect of them all but he's going to be a below average defender wherever he plays. I'd say if he was still in the org I'm probably putting him the 22-25 range. He's got a good hit tool, but the power is below average and the defense while not terrible, it's not all that good either at either 2B or 3B. He doesn't run all that well so at the end of the day, what is he? He reminds me of Terrin Vavra. 

Rom showed in his major league debut with the Cardinals that his stuff just is not very good. I was once a bit of a believer but as soon as I got statcast data on him in AAA, I was out on him. He would not be in the top 30.

I was never really too high on Showalter. He's a high effort pitcher with reliever and "arm injury" written all over him. He pitched one inning for the Cardinals before missing the rest of the year with a reported right-forearm strain. He would not have been in the top 30 either.  

 

 

 

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26 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Prieto could have been as high as 12 but at worst somewhere between there and 20.

What makes you think Prieto is remotely in the same conversation as a prospect as Norby and Povich (#11 and #13) on the list. For that matter, what makes you think he's more than Hanser Alberto or Terrin Vavra at the ML level?

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7 hours ago, ShoelesJoe said:

Thanks for all the hard work. In looking at this list what jumps out at me (duh) is the lack of pitching. It's a weakness we all realize on some level, but seeing it here in black and white certainly brings it home. Hopefully Elias & Co. have their eyes on some college arms for those 3 top 40 draft picks next summer. 

Maybe I’m the eternal optimist but there’s light in the darkness.  

2022: 9 of the top 30

Graduated 2 during 2023:  Grayson and Hall.  And used 1 (Rom) as a trade chip at the trade deadline.

2023:  11 of the top 30 with a decent amount of fringe pitchers and significantly more pitching heavy draft.  And a couple of international guys.

Sure, it’s still a weakness.  It’s been a weakness for the past few years.  But it’s at least trending in the right direction.

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1 hour ago, Just Regular said:

Of Rom, Prieto and Showalter, curious where people think the best one would have slotted into this year's list?

Hudson Haskin's about to turn 25 with almost $2 million of Mike Elias' pool money, and hasn't returned much yet while missing this year's 30.   I believe John Rhodes, Carter Young, and Maikol Hernandez are Elias' other millionaires who missed the cut this year.      Haskin's a maybe to inherit McKenna's role if the Sigbot prefers him to AAAA waiver fodder like Hilliard.

The others - some of B-U-S-T may be drifting from pencil to ink.     That's to be expected of course - overall success rate is high, which makes the few failures a bit more interesting to explore.

It feels like good chance here Hernandez is 4th guy if we make some big trade.

Carter Young…. Oof.  

How does the postmordem lessons learned of Carter Young look compared to other similar profile players?

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