Grade the Rogers for Norby/Stowers trade

[Billy F-Face3]

5 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

I absolutely HATE this deal. We gave away two potential major league players for a mediocre number 5 pitcher with lat and back problems. Hopefully theres more to come in another deal. But right now, I think we just got fleeced.

Thank you. This is what I've been trying to say and I'm being hounded for it. We got fleeced!

[HowAboutThat]

Gets rid of two guys with value, brings back a lotto ticket. If Rogers performs to his career stats, he’s not as good as Kremer. Fail.

Sure wish Mike would learn to draft pitching. I worry about Baumeister winning the CY in 2027.

[Gurgi]

I think we were forced to do this trade with all our injuries.  Also we wont trade jackson or mayo or basallo.  This is what we could get.

[Roll Tide]

I hate it despite what the trade sim says. I would’ve been ok with Stowers and a lower 30 ish guy. 

[Roy Firestone]

20 minutes ago, Osornot said:

I believe that, for the naysayers, if we didn't make a move they would be upset. If we made a huge splash (Skubal, Miller, etc) there would have been weeping and gnashing of teeth because of the cost.  

The Yankees are out manuevering us.They almost always do. They are MUCH better.We are incrementally better. We need BULLPEN arms badly.

[LookinUp]

I voted meh. I don't hate it, but certainly don't love it either. I see the rationale for it at least.

[foxfield]

2 minutes ago, Roy Firestone said:

The Yankees are out manuevering us.They almost always do. They are MUCH better.We are incrementally better. We need BULLPEN arms badly.

Yeah and all that "out manuevering" and all of that high level spending and they have as many World Series wins as we do since the 2010 season. 

[Roy Firestone]

5 minutes ago, foxfield said:

Yeah and all that "out manuevering" and all of that high level spending and they have as many World Series wins as we do since the 2010 season. 

I'm only talking about these deadline moves. They have made much better moves than we did. They last won in 2009, after a 14 year drought. We havent won a title or even been in World Series in 41 years..

Edited July 30 by Roy Firestone

[24fps]

I like the trade across the board with one exception and that is it’s not enough of a 2024 move to be fully satisfying. I like his upside and control too and he increases the possibility of resigning Burns or adding someone of that caliber in the offseason.

The price was full retail but certainly not an overpay so I think people should get over that. 

[gamiliel]

1 hour ago, terpoh said:

Improves the team pitching while not giving up anything of consequence to our current roster or future. Like it.

I think Norby can help now, especially with Mateo out.

[Alasdaire]

We filled a need both for this season and in the future and gave up pieces that have next to no value to our team. What more can you expect? If your criticism is the price paid, then blame the market and not the front office.

[dystopia]

F. Having more control of a bad pitcher is a negative, not a positive. And this is a bad pitcher folks. This dude completely sucks. Worst Elias trade by far. 

[O-The-Memories]

Rogers absolutely does not "suck". He is a controllable starter with a track record of success in the past, and he has been pitching well over his last 10 starts or so. He is markedly better than Povich or McDermott. If he is still recovering than he has to chance to be even better. 

You now have two relievers that are better than guys we had before (Dominguez and Suarez), two starters that are better than we had before (Eflin and Rogers) and a great defensive replacement OF for late in games too. You gave up guys who I don't see as starters on a good team (remember, they couldn't stick here). You have four proven MLB starters under contract next year if we pick up Eflins option. Our 4/5 starters match up well with anyone now for the rest of the season. I didn't "love it" because I would have rather had the Fedde deal, but Rogers is young with upside and controllable which is great. 

[geschinger]

In the context of the market (looking at returns for rentals like Kikuchi) - I like the deal.  

I see Rogers as someone adding SP depth as a 4 or 5 this year but upside for 2025 and 2026.  The Orioles have a decent track record at improving the pitchers they've acquired. Even if they don't get more out of Rogers going forward, a serviceable back end LHP has value.

I like Norby and Stowers but we need to be realistic - both have already had 1,000+ ABs in AAA and neither could earn a spot.  I'm happy they can be given an opportunity elsewhere - giving them each another couple hundred ABs in Norfolk benefits no one. 

[dystopia]

6 minutes ago, O-The-Memories said:

Rogers absolutely does not "suck". He is a controllable starter with a track record of success in the past, and he has been pitching well over his last 10 starts or so. He is markedly better than Povich or McDermott. If he is still recovering than he has to chance to be even better. 

You now have two relievers that are better than guys we had before (Dominguez and Suarez), two starters that are better than we had before (Eflin and Rogers) and a great defensive replacement OF for late in games too. You gave up guys who I don't see as starters on a good team (remember, they couldn't stick here). You have four proven MLB starters under contract next year if we pick up Eflins option. Our 4/5 starters match up well with anyone now for the rest of the season. I didn't "love it" because I would have rather had the Fedde deal, but Rogers is young with upside and controllable which is great. 

He does suck. There is absolutely nothing in his numbers or baseball savant page that is encouraging.