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I'll tell you one thing-- this has to be the first time in baseball history that two guys named after animals from the canine family have been traded for each other.

If only we could've gotten a player named Dog, Jackal, or Coyote to involve in this trade as well.

I think you're right. I tried way too hard to find some trade involving Doggie Miller and some guy nicknamed the Old Grey Fox, but I came up empty.

While I am for this move, when you look at Fox's stats, you really have to wonder what we are going to get out of him.

They are just downright awful and it doesn't appear to be much in the way of bad luck either.

Encarnacion and Jackson are much better pickups.

Not so sure. He's obviously no long-term solution anywhere, but he's a pretty decent superutility guy. His 50% PECOTA coming into the year was .252/.323/.456, and even his 20% (.244/.313/.425) has to be a couple wins better than the first base production the O's are getting right now. Just last year he put up a .779 in the majors. And he has played a lot of first base in the minors.

I don't see the downside when you're acquiring a quasi-Floyd Rayford for a fungo bat.

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I'm in the camp of, "Eh, it's something." And something is better than nothing, which is pretty much what the potential of Garrett Atkins is. So yeah...I'm a fan of this deal.

Also, Jake Fox doesn't look constipated when he swings. Just saying.

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I think you're right. I tried way too hard to find some trade involving Doggie Miller and some guy nicknamed the Old Grey Fox, but I came up empty.

Not so sure. He's obviously no long-term solution anywhere, but he's a pretty decent superutility guy. His 50% PECOTA coming into the year was .252/.323/.456, and even his 20% (.244/.313/.425) has to be a couple wins better than the first base production the O's are getting right now. Just last year he put up a .779 in the majors. And he has played a lot of first base in the minors.

I don't see the downside when you're acquiring a quasi-Floyd Rayford for a fungo bat.

No offense but who cares about his PECOTA stats right now?

His LD% is awful...His BABIP is a little unlucky but its also about where you would expect it to be with that LD%...HIS BB rate is awful.

There isn't a whole lot to see to think that he is going to bounce back...and there is certainly a lot more to see with Jackson and Encarnacion.

That being said, I am fine with taking the risk...its just not that the 2 make more sense.

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Other than walk rate, I'm not sure that Fox is really any different than Jackson or Encarnacion.

Encarnacion and Jackson have put up decent numbers in prior to 2009. But their performance has signifcantly trended downward, perhaps indicative that the league has figured them out and despite their youth, injuries have sapped them of talent. And, we know that Encarnacion cannot play 3B given his historical fielding issues. And Jackson might not be the same guy anymore given his injury history.

Fox's minor league power numbers were superior to both Jackson and Encarnacion, and he has less MLB history on which to baseline his true performance levels. Can't wait to see him on the O's roster, hopefully displacing Atkins in the near future.

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No offense but who cares about his PECOTA stats right now?

His LD% is awful...His BABIP is a little unlucky but its also about where you would expect it to be with that LD%...HIS BB rate is awful.

There isn't a whole lot to see to think that he is going to bounce back...and there is certainly a lot more to see with Jackson and Encarnacion.

That being said, I am fine with taking the risk...its just not that the 2 make more sense.

No offense, but who cares about 110 PAs? You're willing to throw out a PECOTA projection based on his whole professional career because he's had a bad 110 inconsistent PAs with the A's.

He's less than half a season removed from a year where he hit like Ruth's older brother in AAA, followed by a .775 OPS in the majors.

And it's not like this move has to be the end. There's no reason this can't be step one, with other guys (possibly, but not necessarily, including Encarnacion and Jackson) to follow.

Just because other possible moves exist doesn't make this one bad.

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No offense, but who cares about 110 PAs? You're willing to throw out a PECOTA projection based on his whole professional career because he's had a bad 110 inconsistent PAs with the A's.

He's less than half a season removed from a year where he hit like Ruth's older brother in AAA, followed by a .775 OPS in the majors.

And it's not like this move has to be the end. There's no reason this can't be step one, with other guys (possibly, but not necessarily, including Encarnacion and Jackson) to follow.

Just because other possible moves exist doesn't make this one bad.

Who said it was a bad move? I said I am in favor of the move and glad they got him.

What I said is other moves would have been better.

Jackson is already gone, so we can't get him.

We can still get Encarnacion but he likely would have gone to first, which is where Fox is likely to play IMO...so I am doubting that they will go get Encarnacion.

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