Mussina elected to Orioles Hall of Fame! (Also Dauer and Youse) w/Mussina reaction

[Mr Snuffleupagus]

Being happy vs being deserving are two different things.

I refuse to vote!

[Tony-OH]

Not trying to piss you or anyone else off Tony, and as I said in my first post, my wife believes 100% the way you do. I just strongly believe in my opinion on Moose, just as you strongly believe in yours. I'm not trying to tell anyone how THEY should feel.

and if anyone wants to be angry, it should be directed at the Orioles, not Moose.

What do you call this? Don't tell me who I'm supposed to direct my anger at. If you want to welcome Benedict Arnold back, be my guest, but I will cheer Dauer and Youse's induction and will walk out when they induct the turncoat. The 14 years of losing has made people hate Angelos so much that they now think anyone who left was right. Me, I remember what it felt like when Mu$$ina put on that Yankees hat during his press conference and that was the day he ceased being an Oriole. I hope he wears his Yankees cap, thanks the Yankees fans in attendance, and then goes on the Yankees broadcast that day to laugh about getting inducted into such an insignificant HoF. That's the way Yankee fans and players think of us and make no mistake, Mike Mu$$ina will always be a Yankee.

[Sports Guy]

Memo to everyone...the Yankees are not our rival.

The very notion of the Orioles and Yankees being a rivalry is a joke. They beat the hell out of us all the time.

They may be the team you hate the most and you may not be able to stand their fans but the 2 teams themselves? Its as big a mismatch as there is in sports.

[Sports Guy]

What do you call this? Don't tell me who I'm supposed to direct my anger at. If you want to welcome Benedict Arnold back, be my guest, but I will cheer Dauer and Youse's induction and will walk out when they induct the turncoat. The 14 years of losing has made people hate Angelos so much that they now think anyone who left was right. Me, I remember what it felt like when Mu$$ina put on that Yankees hat during his press conference and that was the day he ceased being an Oriole. I hope he wears his Yankees cap, thanks the Yankees fans in attendance, and then goes on the Yankees broadcast that day to laugh about getting inducted into such an insignificant HoF. That's the way Yankee fans and players think of us and make no mistake, Mike Mu$$ina will always be a Yankee.

That's how he should be remember, not as an Orioles HoFer.

And what do you call this?(this is what you said in the poll thread)

Sure sounds to me you are trying to tell us how WE should think.

Why is that any different than what Dipper said?

[Lucky Jim]

Being happy vs being deserving are two different things.

I refuse to vote!

Right. I'm in the same position. I think it's fair, and deserved, but I don't have fond memories of his departure, even in retrospect, and absolutely hate the rancor the issue raises among O's fans. The Yanks were good to Moose, and courted him, but there is no question in my mind that his response was, in part, the equivalent of flipping the bird (no pun intended) to Angelos. The problem is, O's fans got caught in the crossfire.

[Tony-OH]

You left out the part where it took Angelos the better part of a year to finally give Moose what he wanted, and by that time he was probably done with the Orioles in his mind.

These professional athletes have a great deal of pride, and in Moose's mind, he was not appreciated by Angelos. He had accepted a VERY fan friendly deal earlier to stay with the team, and this time around he wanted his fair value. Angelos didn't give in until it was too late.

I was and am just as pissed as everyone that he left us for the Yankees, but looking back, and seeing where this team has gone in the 12 years since he left, its pretty obvious he knew something that we have all figured out...this organization was on a downward spiral.

One that probably would not have occurred had we had our ace still with us. It's easy to say he made the right decision because we've sucked since then, but part of us sucking was because we didn't have an ace.

[ConnO'sFan]

I'm not sure this is true, considering the poll is currently running 26 to 6 in favor of Mussina's election.

Yes, true, but if you read all the comments there is a lot of conflicted souls in O's land. I'm one of them. I find it impossible to NOT let his departure effect me.

[Sports Guy]

One that probably would not have occurred had we had our ace still with us. It's easy to say he made the right decision because we've sucked since then, but part of us sucking was because we didn't have an ace.

With how terrible this organization was run and with how awful PA was, the spiral happens, with or without Moose.

It may not have been as painful but whether you win 68 games or 74 games, you are still awful.

[Tony-OH]

And what do you call this?(this is what you said in the poll thread)

Sure sounds to me you are trying to tell us how WE should think.

Why is that any different than what Dipper said?

Because you have reading comprehension problems? How is that the same? I said he should be remembered as a Yankee. I didn't say everyone should think that way. I was clearly stating my opinion. If people want to enjoy a Yankee in the Orioles HoF, be my guest. Hell, Ernest Byner is in the Ravens Ring of honor and that's the biggest crock ever. These things are all ceremonial and hold no real value, but in the end, I think everything should be taken into consideration and being the only Orioles drafted and developed All-star to ever leave the team for its arch-rival at the time disqualifies him in my opinion. I have no problem with those who think otherwise, even if I vehemently disagree.

[SoBo]

At the time when he left I was very upset by it. But in retrospect he got out while the getting was good. I don't fault him in the least for getting out of dodge.

[Pedro Cerrano]

In my opinion, the entire blame falls at the feet of Peter Angelos. The events leading up to Mike Mussina leaving the organization have been well documented and, at the end of the day, Peter Angelos didn't go the last step to retain his best player. He dragged things out in the hopes that Mussina would again take an average offer. The Yankees made the best offer, so Mussina took it. I would have done the same but made sure the fans knew that I still appreciated them (which he did, btw. He came back to The Dugout in Ellicott City to sign autographs AFTER announcing his new deal).

I'm not sure where the idea of him "not wanting to be a leader or an ace" comes from because he spent several years here doing just that and doing it very well.

I welcome Mike Mussina to the O's HOF. Without him, we may be going into our 29th season without a playoff appearance.

[Dipper9]

One that probably would not have occurred had we had our ace still with us. It's easy to say he made the right decision because we've sucked since then, but part of us sucking was because we didn't have an ace.

I might have my facts confused, but wasn't the year his contract ran out the same year that Thryft pulled the fire sale? If I was a professional athlete that had not grown up a fan of the team I was on, and my organization just got rid of all the veteran talent, AND they low-balled me until the very last moment, AND one of the best run organizations in sports wanted me to play for them, I would have done the same as he did.

Now, that said, that doesn't mean anyone has to agree with him or like him for that decision, but it was one that most athletes would call a no brainer.

[atomic]

He played for the team for 11 years. Best pitcher we had since Palmer. No brainer he belongs in Orioles hall of fame.

[Pedro Cerrano]

BTW, I haven't always felt this way about Mussina. When he first left I felt hurt and scorned. Over time, however, I've grown to see what a miserable terrible owner Peter Angelos is and those feelings have subsided. If I'm looking in the mirror, I probably would have done the same thing so I can't fault Moose for doing just that.

[Sports Guy]

Because you have reading comprehension problems? How is that the same? I said he should be remembered as a Yankee. I didn't say everyone should think that way. I was clearly stating my opinion. If people want to enjoy a Yankee in the Orioles HoF, be my guest. Hell, Ernest Byner is in the Ravens Ring of honor and that's the biggest crock ever. These things are all ceremonial and hold no real value, but in the end, I think everything should be taken into consideration and being the only Orioles drafted and developed All-star to ever leave the team for its arch-rival at the time disqualifies him in my opinion. I have no problem with those who think otherwise, even if I vehemently disagree.

So, he SHOULD be remembered as a Yankee but yet you then say you didn't say everyone should think that way?

Hmmmm, sure sounds like the same thing to me.

I don't see how anything you said there is worth just brushing to the side and pretending like you aren't telling people how to think yet what Dipper said, is somehow very different.

Dipper said to direct anger at PA, not Moose....but he also didn't said thats how EVERYONE should think.

Seems to me to be the same situation.