O's Willing to Trade Wieters Via Ken Rosenthal

[Camden_yardbird]

I think a lot of the off season market will be shaped around power given the drop off we have seen in the last few years. Talking to teams about Wieters and Hardy, two players who are probably not in the Orioles 2016+ plans, and who provide power at premium positions, just makes a lot sense.

I would trade either one of them for the right price. However shipping either one of them out, and keeping Nick at a position where power is expected, will very quickly make a bad OBP team look very anemic on offense.

The fact is, the Orioles are built backwards, with power up the middle, and very little (absent Davis) from the corners. If they are going to start selling off that power in the middle, they need to improve team OBP, or put some money up for a LF or DH with pop.

[wildcard]

I think a lot of the off season market will be shaped around power given the drop off we have seen in the last few years. Talking to teams about Wieters and Hardy, two players who are probably not in the Orioles 2016+ plans, and who provide power at premium positions, just makes a lot sense.

I would trade either one of them for the right price. However shipping either one of them out, and keeping Nick at a position where power is expected, will very quickly make a bad OBP team look very anemic on offense.

The fact is, the Orioles are built backwards, with power up the middle, and very little (absent Davis) from the corners. If they are going to start selling off that power in the middle, they need to improve team OBP, or put some money up for a LF or DH with pop.

Both Machado and Schoop are thought to have power potential that will develop over the next few years. Flaherty seems to have more power than OBP capabilities so far.

[sportsfan8703]

I think a lot of the off season market will be shaped around power given the drop off we have seen in the last few years. Talking to teams about Wieters and Hardy, two players who are probably not in the Orioles 2016+ plans, and who provide power at premium positions, just makes a lot sense.

I would trade either one of them for the right price. However shipping either one of them out, and keeping Nick at a position where power is expected, will very quickly make a bad OBP team look very anemic on offense.

The fact is, the Orioles are built backwards, with power up the middle, and very little (absent Davis) from the corners. If they are going to start selling off that power in the middle, they need to improve team OBP, or put some money up for a LF or DH with pop.

We need to sell teams on Power from SS,C and GG's. Machado's doubles are going to be dingers here real soon. Flaherty and Brob hit 17 HR's from 2nd last year. Plus Schoop has thunder in is bat. Plus whoever we get in the trades and replacement FA's. Maybe Freese comes in the Hardy trade but I like Uribe on a 1-2 deal as a stop gap/insurance until Schoop takes over at 3rd.

[webbrick2010]

The Orioles need to get serious about fixing OBP

Hardy was 10th out of 17 qualifying SS in OBP.

Wieters was 10th out of 10 qualifying catchers in OBP

We should trade them both this offseason, keeping them one more year to keep the 85 win team together makes no sense.

What we will do:

The O's will keep them till FA, not make qualifying offers and eventually get nothing in return for them, which is exacly what will happen with Jim Johnson one year from now.

[NATTYBO's]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>I'll repeat <a href="https://twitter.com/search?q=%23orioles&src=hash">#orioles</a> aren't actively shopping Hardy and Wieters. Willing to listen on anyone, but not looking to move unless overwhelmed</p>— Roch Kubatko (@masnRoch) <a href="

">November 13, 2013</a></blockquote>

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Where there's smoke there's fire......Most team's would deny they are shopping 2 of their best players

[atomic]

Where there's smoke there's fire......Most team's would deny they are shopping 2 of their best players

Every player on the team is available for the right price. You listen to what people are offering. Unless there is a deal close these rumors are pretty useless anyway.

[Tx Oriole]

The silliness of the off-season.

SMH

That's for sure.

[Tx Oriole]

The silliness of the off-season.

SMH

That's for sure.

[VeveJones007]

The Orioles need to get serious about fixing OBP

Hardy was 10th out of 17 qualifying SS in OBP.

Wieters was 10th out of 10 qualifying catchers in OBP

We should trade them both this offseason, keeping them one more year to keep the 85 win team together makes no sense.

What we will do:

The O's will keep them till FA, not make qualifying offers and eventually get nothing in return for them, which is exacly what will happen with Jim Johnson one year from now.

This isn't a black-and-white issue. If the O's trade Hardy and Wieters, then that's roughly 11 wins they have to make up over the next two years. It's possible that the right move is to hold on to the players until free agency and maximize the team's chances until then.

[webbrick2010]

This isn't a black-and-white issue. If the O's trade Hardy and Wieters, then that's roughly 11 wins they have to make up over the next two years. It's possible that the right move is to hold on to the players until free agency and maximize the team's chances until then.

Giving 1200 AB's to players who will struggle to have a .300 OBP won't maximize anything

[Tx Oriole]

The Orioles need to get serious about fixing OBP

Hardy was 10th out of 17 qualifying SS in OBP.

Wieters was 10th out of 10 qualifying catchers in OBP

We should trade them both this offseason, keeping them one more year to keep the 85 win team together makes no sense.

What we will do:

The O's will keep them till FA, not make qualifying offers and eventually get nothing in return for them, which is exacly what will happen with Jim Johnson one year from now.

And when Hardy is traded who plays 3rd after Manny moved to SS? Don't tell me

Ryan Flarety. He is just a bench player. I don't think Schoop is ready yet. IMO

[Tx Oriole]

The Orioles need to get serious about fixing OBP

Hardy was 10th out of 17 qualifying SS in OBP.

Wieters was 10th out of 10 qualifying catchers in OBP

We should trade them both this offseason, keeping them one more year to keep the 85 win team together makes no sense.

What we will do:t

The O's will keep them till FA, not make qualifying offers and eventually get nothing in return for them, which is exacly what will happen with Jim Johnson one year from now.

And when Hardy is traded who plays 3rd after Manny moved to SS? Don't tell me

Ryan Flarety. He is just a bench player. I don't think Schoop is ready yet. IMO

[TonySoprano]

"If we were going to pursue an extension with him, it would be between now and the start of the season," Duquette said. "That's something that we can consider, but having tried twice [each of the past two winters] and not come to a long-term agreement, that's not a priority for us right now."

source - Britt Ghiroli

[sportsfan8703]

And when Hardy is traded who plays 3rd after Manny moved to SS? Don't tell me

Ryan Flarety. He is just a bench player. I don't think Schoop is ready yet. IMO

If Flaherty played 3rd all year he'd be a 2 WAR player. Schoop starts in the minors. Sign Uribe. Uribe and Roberts play agaisnt LHP. Flaherty and Roberts vs RHP.

[sportsfan8703]

source - Britt Ghiroli

Am I the only one that's starting to dislike Wieters for this. That's why you gotta love Adam Jones. He stayed and kind of signed a team friendly deal.