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He referenced a move made during the 2011-12 Winter Meetings. The OH's mood is similar this year to then. The point (and it is no way a straw man) is that A) we don't know what else may occur between the winter meetings and OD and B) Maybe the moves they have made thus far haven't been bad ones.

Criticize away, it's fair, but this notion that you have to win the Winter Meetings is ridiculous. There have been a lot of paper champs that haven't won a hill of beans.

If they go into the season without improving the then I am right with you, but even then you just don't know. I remember it being pretty doom and gloom going into the 2012 season.

It could be a difference of interpretation. I read it as "we didn't make significant moves in the winter preceding 2012, but we still wound up with 93 wins," as opposed to "there's plenty of time this winter to improve the team, winter meetings notwithstanding." If the former interpretation is correct, then it is a straw man. If the latter, you're right...and no argument from me. I WILL still be disappointed by (but not despondent over) a minimal-movement winter meetings, though. February really isn't that far away.

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It could be a difference of interpretation. I read it as "we didn't make significant moves in the winter preceding 2012, but we still wound up with 93 wins," as opposed to "there's plenty of time this winter to improve the team, winter meetings notwithstanding." If the former interpretation is correct, then it is a straw man. If the latter, you're right...and no argument from me. I WILL still be disappointed by (but not despondent over) a minimal-movement winter meetings, though. February really isn't that far away.

Maybe so. I may be ducking before the punch is thrown. The negativity on this board lately has made me borderline defensive. I think we need to make significant moves, I want them to spend money but I also realize that this team got a lot better between 2011 and 2012/2013 without either of those two things. I recognize that some smaller moves made a significant difference between 2011 and 2012/13. I also recognize that winning the Meetings and offseason often mean nothing.

Let see what the rest of the winter brings.

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True and speaking of paper.

A large majority of the 150 FAs are signed to new paper contracts. :)

So we can all say, no worries be happy, the winter isn't over, it doesn't change the facts.

How many of those FA's did you want, and then further how many of those did you want at the paper contract they have received, within the context of the budget that appears to be in place? Probably a smaller subset of the 150?

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Maybe so. I may be ducking before the punch is thrown. The negativity on this board lately has made me borderline defensive. I think we need to make significant moves, I want them to spend money but I also realize that this team got a lot better between 2011 and 2012/2013 without either of those two things. I recognize that some smaller moves made a significant difference between 2011 and 2012/13. I also recognize that winning the Meetings and offseason often mean nothing.

Let see what the rest of the winter brings.

I agree. I realize the off season is seldom reality based. Blogs are fueled by rumor, innuendo and hatred. I can never figure how game and hatred gets intertwined. I enjoy it more win the O's win but it doesn't change my life either way. I chose the O's as my favorite team a half century ago as a child in Rochester. I will die an O's fan and always remind myself it is a game when I lose perspective.

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