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DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

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By now, it's pretty clear that the Orioles should not have re-signed Hardy, and that they should have non-tendered Hunter, Matusz, Davis, Pearce, De Aza, Norris, Tillman, and Wieters, replaced all nine of them, and signed Cruz and Miller. Obviously, they didn't do so because DD was distracted and Angelos is cheap, because those are the things that anyone who was truly committed to winning would have done. And really, how tough could it have been?

Or they could have just signed all the players. If they really were committed to winning why stop with players who might fail? If you have all the players you can never fail.

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Or they could have just signed all the players. If they really were committed to winning why stop with players who might fail? If you have all the players you can never fail.

They only allow you to control 40. The others all have to be amateur draftees or non roster players. The other 1160 MLB players get to live elsewhere no matter what you do. The FO can still be criticized. You are just finding a way to shelter them again.

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Nope.

For the roughly two hours between the start of the Yankee series and where they lost the lead late in game one in 2012, I was one of the happiest human beings alive.

I was at the ALDS games in OPACY vs the Yankees.

I am an Orioles fan.

What I am not a fan of is constant foolishness in the form of poor offseason movement and refusal to upgrade when the opportunity arises.

That's just how it is.

MSK

I think it was more like that. You were one of the folks who didn't believe they'd make the playoffs and were foolish for not being sellers until about the moment they clinched. In '12 and '14.

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Or they could have just signed all the players. If they really were committed to winning why stop with players who might fail? If you have all the players you can never fail.

Signing all the players is the way to go for a team committed to winning.

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I was fine not signing Miller. I was ok letting Nick walk. But Cruz was a must imo. But who needs Cruz, when they can get the same production cheaper from Pearce and Delmom Young.

You can never fail signing a soon-to-be 35-year-old with a history of PEDs coming off a career year to a long, expensive contract. That always works. 100%.

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You can never fail signing a soon-to-be 35-year-old with a history of PEDs coming off a career year to a long, expensive contract. That always works. 100%.

And relying on a guy to repeat a career year at 31 is the way to go from playoffs to 4th place. Why bring up PEDs? Cruz had a career year, but unless you know something I don't, didn't fail any tests last year.

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I was fine not signing Miller. I was ok letting Nick walk. But Cruz was a must imo. But who needs Cruz, when they can get the same production cheaper from Pearce and Delmom Young.

I wanted to keep Cruz. Even though it was a big mistake. I wanted the money spent on him.

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And relying on a guy to repeat a career year at 31 is the way to go from playoffs to 4th place. Why bring up PEDs? Cruz had a career year, but unless you know something I don't, didn't fail any tests last year.

I never said that Steve Pearce should be plans A, B, and C. Certainly depth is necessary, especially when they're counting on trying to maximize the value of valuable but limited role players. I don't think anyone was suggesting that Pearce be tossed aside or given a bench role after putting up a 5-win season. Pretty much every team in baseball would have penciled him into the lineup for '15.

The PED history is a risk - the whole reason he was available for $8M the year before was that he lost 1/3rd of the year to a PED suspension. It seems naive to assume he went cold turkey.

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And relying on a guy to repeat a career year at 31 is the way to go from playoffs to 4th place. Why bring up PEDs? Cruz had a career year, but unless you know something I don't, didn't fail any tests last year.

He's never failed a test. That's what makes me suspect he used them last year and is still using them today. He got caught in the Biogenesis mess because of evidence on paper, not a failed test.

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And relying on a guy to repeat a career year at 31 is the way to go from playoffs to 4th place. Why bring up PEDs? Cruz had a career year, but unless you know something I don't, didn't fail any tests last year.

None of the PED offenders of any note, other than Braun, ever failed a Drug test. Not A-Rod. Not Bonds. Well, Manny Ramirez had the making female hormones.

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I wanted to keep Cruz. Even though it was a big mistake. I wanted the money spent on him.

I think Cruz will be fine for 3 of the 4 years. No contract is guaranteed to work. I just wish more would have been done to build off of 2014. I say that as a fan, not as someone worrying about money wasted on such and such players.

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