Has Buck lost control of the clubhouse (and his senses)?

[Why Not?]

So it can't just be players not performing?

and it CERTAINLY can't be the other team performing well. It's NEVER that.

[Three Run Homer]

The rally started when Britton didn't cover first base, and that is not the first time that Britton failed to cover first base this year. That was the tenure of my original post, Buck is not fixing repeating mental lapses, stupid bunts, missing cutoff men, not covering first, and giving Manny a pass on his showboating on routine ground outs. Manny seems to take extra time just so he can gun down the runner by a 1/2 step instead of making an easy play an easy play. And no one seems to be reading him the riot act, whether it is Buck or Adam Jones the showboating needs to stop.

I think Buck's teams have generally been very sound fundamentally. It's frustrating to see so many mental mistakes on this team, but I don't think we can expect Buck to just "fix" it overnight. He doesn't have enough depth that he can just pull Machado from the game after a lackadasical throw, or demote Britton because he didn't cover first.

The biggest impact that a manager has on his team's execution is the input he provides on roster construction--I'm sure Buck lobbied to have De Aza traded, for instance. But do you think that Buck should lobby to trade Britton or Machado over the offseason?

[JayThomas]

Buck is the second greatest manger the Orioles ever had. Criticism of a game or move is acceptable. Criticism of him is irresponsible and conduct unbecoming a real fan

Thank you. (And) I am critical of him about this game in another thread. Buck has been the biggest blessing this team has had since early Cal and Eddie.

[Going Underground]

The rally started when Britton didn't cover first base, and that is not the first time that Britton failed to cover first base this year. That was the tenure of my original post, Buck is not fixing repeating mental lapses, stupid bunts, missing cutoff men, not covering first, and giving Manny a pass on his showboating on routine ground outs. Manny seems to take extra time just so he can gun down the runner by a 1/2 step instead of making an easy play an easy play. And no one seems to be reading him the riot act, whether it is Buck or Adam Jones the showboating needs to stop.

What makes you think that other players have not talked to Manny? I heard some players call him Baby ARod in the clubhouse. They spoke to him last year after the bat fling. They have probably spoken to him about some other things he does.

[Fuzzball22]

The rally started when Britton didn't cover first base, and that is not the first time that Britton failed to cover first base this year. That was the tenure of my original post, Buck is not fixing repeating mental lapses, stupid bunts, missing cutoff men, not covering first, and giving Manny a pass on his showboating on routine ground outs. Manny seems to take extra time just so he can gun down the runner by a 1/2 step instead of making an easy play an easy play. And no one seems to be reading him the riot act, whether it is Buck or Adam Jones the showboating needs to stop.

How about Manny not diving for the ball in the 9th?

[Herman]

Team chemistry and the "clubhouse" aren't something that the Church of Sabermetrics believe in.

[Herman]

What is the WAR for team chemistry?

[Herman]

So lets see....a bunch of posters pick out a few questionable moves, mind you, something that every manager does if you dissect their every move, and now you all think you have the stones to call him "terrible" in one run games.

Yea so his fellow managers, GM's and scouts respect the hell out him, voted him the 2nd best in the game and you all think he is terrible in 1 run games.....what joke. You all should frankly be ashamed of yourselves and the what have you done lately for me attitude.

Yes I think a few moves have been things that I was not a fan of but to go from questioning those specific moves to "I agree with you on everything as his managing or lack thereof in one run games has been terrible this season !! " is just a leap in logic that makes no sense whatsoever and has zero basis in fact or reality.

But yea.....don't let the fact that Buck has proven over and over he is one of the smartest baseball minds around interrupt that fantasy or compel you all to put down your pitchforks.

Sorry this whole thread is utterly stupid.

I agree. It wasn't Buck's finest day but the Orioles lost the series b/c they can't hit and their fundamentals were terrible

[SeaBird]

What makes you think that other players have not talked to Manny? I heard some players call him Baby ARod in the clubhouse. They spoke to him last year after the bat fling. They have probably spoken to him about some other things he does.

Somebody better talk to him about his profanity laced comments to the media after the yesterday and his comment about Britton. "Three days in a row, four days, I don't know how many days it's been, they haven't even gotten the ball out of the infield against (Zach Britton) and he's blown a couple of saves that he shouldn't have.

That's not how one should comport oneself.

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2015/08/manny-machado-on-his-error-in-the-12th-and-the-os-getting-swept-by-the-twins.html

[MDtransplant757]

Team chemistry and the "clubhouse" aren't something that the Church of Sabermetrics believe in.

It's human nature to need good chemistry, and I think it'd be a good thing to factor that in

[Aristotelian]

Somebody better talk to him about his profanity laced comments to the media after the yesterday and his comment about Britton. "Three days in a row, four days, I don't know how many days it's been, they haven't even gotten the ball out of the infield against (Zach Britton) and he's blown a couple of saves that he shouldn't have.

That's not how one should comport oneself.

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2015/08/manny-machado-on-his-error-in-the-12th-and-the-os-getting-swept-by-the-twins.html

You are taking the quote out of context. All of the other comments, while including profanity, were 100% accepting responsibility for missing the ball. In the context of the first portion ("they haven't even gotten the ball out of the infield"), I think the latter portion he is trying to say that Britton did not deserve the blown save. In no way he is blaming Zach or trying to throw him under the bus.

[SeaBird]

The opening post questions capability and is insulting. It would embarrassing to the members of this board if Buck were to see this thread IMO. And when coming from a source that is known to only show up to post nasty criticisms, it is not welcome.

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That (bolded part) is absurd and actually made me laugh. Is Showalter a deity of some sort? And all ye shall bow before him.

Give me a break.

[DrungoHazewood]

That (bolded part) is absurd and actually made me laugh. Is Showalter a deity of some sort? And all ye shall bow before him.

Give me a break.

No, but I think the Hangout is seen as a place where there's some smart baseball fans, and there's generally a pretty high level of discourse for an online forum. This kind of thread isn't raising the bar, and unfortunately shows some of the ugly side of the fanbase when a few games go poorly.

[SeaBird]

You are taking the quote out of context. All of the other comments, while including profanity, were 100% accepting responsibility for missing the ball. In the context of the first portion ("they haven't even gotten the ball out of the infield"), I think the latter portion he is trying to say that Britton did not deserve the blown save. In no way he is blaming Zach or trying to throw him under the bus.

Then he should have chosen his words more carefully.

[epic]

Somebody better talk to him about his profanity laced comments to the media after the yesterday and his comment about Britton. "Three days in a row, four days, I don't know how many days it's been, they haven't even gotten the ball out of the infield against (Zach Britton) and he's blown a couple of saves that he shouldn't have.

That's not how one should comport oneself.

http://www.masnsports.com/steve-melewski/2015/08/manny-machado-on-his-error-in-the-12th-and-the-os-getting-swept-by-the-twins.html

I didn't read that quote in the same way you did.

I read it as we aren't getting a lot of breaks and we're losing multiple games in a row due to infield singles late in the game. Britton wasn't deserving of a blown save.