Why didn't O'Day get a QO

[weams]

I wonder if that breakdown would change a lot if you looked at fWAR over, say, a three-year period instead of a single year. I think the guys who make a lot of money are generally guys who have proven to be consistently good. And obviously, they have 3+ years of service time.

I started a little project at home figuring out how many relievers make more than $1 mm, $2 mm, etc. I'm only about 1/3 finished, but the early returns suggest that on average only 2-3 relievers per team make $1 mm+.

Great. I look forward to seeing it!

[Nevermore]

No' date=' that's not the argument. It's a cost-production analysis relative to the rest of the team that leads one to the conclusion that you can't invest much in the bullpen unless you're the Dodgers or Red Sox or Yankees.[/quote']Well, then, O's management had better pony up the cash to sign Price, Greinke, Cueto plus a few more. Because with starters pitching fewer and fewer innings than before, having quality bullpen pitchers becomes far more important than before. Conventional wisdom has to catch up with current times.

[weams]

Well, then, O's management had better pony up the cash to sign Price, Greinke, Cueto plus a few more. Because with starters pitching fewer and fewer innings than before, having quality bullpen pitchers becomes far more important than before. Conventional wisdom has to catch up with current times.

I assume that you are being facetious here?

[DrungoHazewood]

I assume that you are being facetious here?

What, you think it's unreasonable for us to expect them to decline a 3/30 deal for O'Day, and then go out and sign each of Price, Greinke, Cueto, and "a few more" to 6/150 deals? Do they want to win, or do they want to move to Montreal?

[weams]

Do they want to win, or do they want to move to Montreal?

“She and Marie were Montreal girls, not trained to accompany heroes, or to hold out for dreams, but just to be patient.”

― Mavis Gallant, Collected Stories of Mavis Gallant

[Nevermore]

What, you think it's unreasonable for us to expect them to decline a 3/30 deal for O'Day, and then go out and sign each of Price, Greinke, Cueto, and "a few more" to 6/150 deals? Do they want to win, or do they want to move to Montreal?

I'm being facetious here. The point I was trying to make is that having quality middle relievers is more important than conventional wisdom posits. I'll say it again: quality middle relievers don't grow on trees.

[weams]

I'm being facetious here. The point I was trying to make is that having quality middle relievers is more important than conventional wisdom posits. I'll say it again: quality middle relievers don't grow on trees.

I agree completely. Nor do they make eight million a year.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm being facetious here. The point I was trying to make is that having quality middle relievers is more important than conventional wisdom posits. I'll say it again: quality middle relievers don't grow on trees.

Everyone knows they're root vegetables. They grow underground.

[mdbdotcom]

Everyone knows they're root vegetables. They grow underground.

They always root for the home team.

[weams]

How is our 3/21 looking right now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: O’Day asking for four-year deal in $28M to $36M range. Most accomplished reliever on open market.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’d give him 4/$28M in a heartbeat. Even 4/$36M is perfectly reasonable.

<a href="https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt">https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt</a></p>— David Cameron (@DCameronFG) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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[oriolesacox]

How is our 3/21 looking right now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: O?Day asking for four-year deal in $28M to $36M range. Most accomplished reliever on open market.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I?d give him 4/$28M in a heartbeat. Even 4/$36M is perfectly reasonable.

<a href="https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt">https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt</a></p>— David Cameron (@DCameronFG) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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Well that just about seals the deal of O'Day leaving. The only way possible of retaining him would be a HUGE hometown discount.

[Can_of_corn]

Well that just about seals the deal of O'Day leaving. The only way possible of retaining him would be a HUGE hometown discount.

Which isn't going to happen if he is looking for 28-36.

[oriolesacox]

Which isn't going to happen if he is looking for 28-36.

Indeed. How I constantly get bummed over a known result is beyond me.

[waroriole]

How is our 3/21 looking right now?

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Sources: O’Day asking for four-year deal in $28M to $36M range. Most accomplished reliever on open market.</p>— Ken Rosenthal (@Ken_Rosenthal) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">I’d give him 4/$28M in a heartbeat. Even 4/$36M is perfectly reasonable.

<a href="https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt">https://t.co/Spnsug2xJt</a></p>— David Cameron (@DCameronFG) <a href="

">November 18, 2015</a></blockquote>

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I could see us going 4/28, but we'd be trading Britton.

[MASNPalmer]

Can someone explain to me the changes he made since 2013? Lefties hit .309 against him that year, and maybe I'm still jarred by that memory, but $30+MM for a 33 year old reliever who just 120 innings ago couldn't get a lefty out to save his life seems like a lot.