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Looks to me like Mets paid market rate. Cespedes wanted one more shot at a big long term deal (if he has a big full season for New York). Otherwise, he gets the three years everyone else seems open to and gets to stay with the Mets.
The $25 million average annual value of the deal ties Cespedes with Giancarlo Stanton and Josh Hamilton for the highest average annual value ever for an outfielder

http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/14629430/yoenis-cespedes-agrees-deal-new-york-mets

If "Best Ever" is your market.

Cespedes had been seeking a six-year deal in the $22 million annual range this winter.
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Barry Svrluga says it is a big disappointment.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2016/01/23/for-nationals-yoenis-cespedess-signing-with-mets-is-latest-loss-in-a-long-winter/

They had gone after Ben Zobrist and lost him to the Chicago Cubs. They had pursued Jason Heyward and lost him to that same team, perhaps now the best in the National League. They checked in on Justin Upton and thought about some starting pitchers. And here they were, with the city frozen, snow falling and Yoenis Cespedes deciding between them and none other than the New York Mets.

More than any other figure, Cespedes put the Nationals in their current predicament. His arrival in Queens at the trade deadline last summer completely altered the National League East race. Here, then, in January, he altered it again, taking less money over fewer years to remain with the Mets — securing the reigning National league champions’ position as the divisional favorite again, at the expense of their chief rivals.

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That's such a Boras framing of the contract. You honestly think that would be the AAV if they were discounting for the decline years over a longer term. Come on, bruh.......

It's still massive. I guess it's better than a Votto, Pujols, Cano deal though. But we are talking outfields. SO the only real comp on this is Hamilton.

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That's such a Boras framing of the contract. You honestly think that would be the AAV if they were discounting for the decline years over a longer term. Come on, bruh.......

The Nationals deal that he passed on was reportedly a 21 AAV. So yeah. The Orioles only offered 18 Million.

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Michael Conforto is certainly going to get all of the AB's against RHP's in LF, one would assume. Granderson has played CF in the past but he's older now and that would require moving Cespedes or Conforto out of position as well. Seems pretty certain that Cespedes, at the very least, is going to play CF against all RHP's. Maybe Lagares plays CF against LHP's with Cespedes moving to LF. The De Aza signing looks like a complete waste of money at this point. I would think they'd be looking to move him and I'd assume he'd give his consent (as a FA signee) to go somewhere and get more playing time.

I don't know.

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It's still massive. I guess it's better than a Votto, Pujols, Cano deal though. But we are talking outfields. SO the only real comp on this is Hamilton.

Talk you the FO guys in the warehouse and ask them what this valuation would look like on a six or seven year deal? I think they will show it to be market.

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Pursuing Cespedes shows that the Nats’ public self-assessment had to be different than their internal self-assessment.

There is also the desire to deprive their greatest rival as well. It's like when the Yankees get better for us.

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Talk you the FO guys in the warehouse and ask them what this valuation would look like on a six or seven year deal? I think they will show it to be market.

I agree. But no one even went six on him. So five is all we have to look at.

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I agree. But no one even went six on him. So five is all we have to look at.

Stretch out this valuation to a five year deal, discount (slightly) for added long term security and decline year risk and I'm still very confident this is not some crazy expensive deal. And I would be shocked if it wasn't right around that $21MM/per you are now comparing to.

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He may or may not work out for them. Shoot CD could

disappoint too.

Frankly, I wish we could've signed CD to a deal like this. Great deal for Mets. No LT comittment for a 30 Y.O. Perhaps the one piece that will push the Mets to the top of the NL East again.

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Frankly, I wish we could've signed CD to a deal like this. Great deal for Mets. No LT comittment for a 30 Y.O. Perhaps the one piece that will push the Mets to the top of the NL East again.

Sure. Everyone would have signed Davis to this. Davis did not have the terribly depressed market that Cespedes was wearing for some reason.

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Not sure the O's would have signed him to that AAV with no deferred money. Doesn't seem like their style at all.

Different opinions then. To me, It would make sense for any team. Almost all the risk is out of that deal. Without the opt out.

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