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Davis Signs With Baltimore (7/$161M, incl $42M deferred)

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How about caring because the amount of money involved seems to have commanded the O's attention for an extended period of time (to the exclusion of other options)?

Do you think our offseason to date would look materially different if Davis had signed in mid-December? I don't.

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Let me get this straight... You're telling me that from age 30-36 Babe Ruth hit 41 triples?!?

Asymmetrical ballparks. Not uncommon in his era for a park to have a 275 ft line and another dimension that was 480 or something. Yankee Stadium was 296 to right, not real long in RC, but 460-490 gap to gap. Old League Park in Cleveland was under 300' with a big wall in RF, but well over 400 in LC/CF. Navin Field (Tiger Stadium) in Ruth's era was 475 to center. During much of Ruth's career even Fenway was either 488 or 468 to center before some modifications.

Ruth could pull the ball and have a relatively easy homer, but go with the pitch and hit it over the outfielder and you'd run a long time. Ruth had three inside-the-park homers after he turned 30.

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A little Ruth trivia from researching that last post: Ruth started a game batting 9th 118 times. He batted 3rd in 1736 games, and 4th in 536 games. No other lineup position more than four times.

Because, you know, pitchers bat ninth. Even pitchers with a 150 OPS+, as he had prior to starting his transition to the outfield.

In 1917 Ruth had the highest OPS on the Red Sox by over 120 points but batted 9th in every one of his starts.

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How about caring because the amount of money involved seems to have commanded the O's attention for an extended period of time (to the exclusion of other options)?

Yea, maybe if Crush signs in early November then the budget gets locked down then and there, and O'Day, Kim, etc don't happen. Maybe they don't offer the QO to Wieters because they go ultraconservative on the budget. Angelos just might have gone a little faint, put his hand on his chest, yelled out "oh it's the big one" and shredded the checkbook then and there.

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Yea, maybe if Crush signs in early November then the budget gets locked down then and there, and O'Day, Kim, etc don't happen. Maybe they don't offer the QO to Wieters because they go ultraconservative on the budget. Angelos just might have gone a little faint, put his hand on his chest, yelled out "oh it's the big one" and shredded the checkbook then and there.

We also would not have traded for Trumbo.

Davis signing late actually may have helped us in many regards....if only we can go get a pitcher.

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We also would not have traded for Trumbo.

Davis signing late actually may have helped us in many regards....if only we can go get a pitcher.

Yes, signing Trumbo for 9.5 mm vs. Alvarez for half that hurts. Trumbo and Wieters will be making about 26 mm this year, or a million less than Cespedes.

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Yes, signing Trumbo for 9.5 mm vs. Alvarez for half that hurts. Trumbo and Wieters will be making about 26 mm this year, or a million less than Cespedes.

Cespedes wasn't coming here. No point bringing him up. And I heard if he opts out, the deal is basically 1/27 mil.

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Yes, signing Trumbo for 9.5 mm vs. Alvarez for half that hurts. Trumbo and Wieters will be making about 26 mm this year, or a million less than Cespedes.

Nobody has signed Alvarez yet, so there is no way to know that we can get him for "half that." It doesn't seem like anyone else has swooped in and him signed him, so suggesting that it's a given that we could already have him on a $5M/1 year deal isn't the most sound conclusion. It could end up shaking out that he gets a deal like that, but the issues in the logic are still there (and add to that we wouldn't have him signed by now as its clear there is something delaying the signing).

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Nobody has signed Alvarez yet, so there is no way to know that we can get him for "half that." It doesn't seem like anyone else has swooped in and him signed him, so suggesting that it's a given that we could already have him on a $5M/1 year deal isn't the most sound conclusion. It could end up shaking out that he gets a deal like that, but the issues in the logic are still there (and add to that we wouldn't have him signed by now as its clear there is something delaying the signing).

He may not get it, but I read somewhere that Boras was asking for a three year deal in the twenties.

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