Turning point of the spring for the O's.

[bobmc]

Pretty accurate.

Perhaps but nipping a good ol' 75 page thread in the bud? Nah gah happen (Dana Carvey). :slytf:

[abbott]

Not everyone, but some folks would.

Everyone has a right to be whatever kind of fan they want to be, pessimist, optimist, fair weather(the worst), casual, bad wagon. I'm a realist. And just because a player puts on my team's uniform, doesn't mean I like him. When Albert Belle put on the Orioles uniform, it was horrible. I couldn't root for him. Almost the same with Bonilla. Couldn't stand the sight of him. Doesn't make me less of a fan.

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[weams]

Everyone has a right to be whatever kind of fan they want to be, pessimist, optimist, fair weather(the worst), casual, bad wagon. I'm a realist. And just because a player puts on my team's uniform, doesn't mean I like him. When Albert Belle put on the Orioles uniform, it was horrible. I couldn't root for him. Almost the same with Bonilla. Couldn't stand the sight of him. Doesn't make me less of a fan.

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There are no realists. Just folks who view reality differently.

[fastball]

Come on really? I was at the game

and something is missing in the way

there playing

[OFFNY]

If they were winning, we'd all be: "winning early is important, it establishes the 'can-win' attitude"

When ST doesn't go our way it's all about " young players getting their feet wet, pitchers just warming up and not showing their real stuff and just working out 3rd and 4th pitches and new stuff. Hitters are just trying to make contact..."

If we go 10-2 the first 2 weeks of the season we are all: Great starts mean great ending"

If we go 2-10 the first 2 weeks, we are all " it's a]early, wait till the weather and bats heat up"

Baseball fans find any reason to be optimists or pessimists, irrationally and subjectively. Orioles fans are notorious for this. We'll make excuses for losing and turn utility players into HOFers.

Not everyone, but some folks would.

Some folks would, but most would not.

In fact, some folks would be concerned that we would be winning a ton of games that don't count, and be wary of them being able to put that winning to use in the games that do count.

I myself would be very modestly encouraged if the Orioles were winning, but would not be making that correlation/attachment to the regular season games. At most, I would make a correlation of individual players playing well (in particular, the starting pitchers) in the final 2 weeks of Spring Training and their ability to continue that when the real games started.

[Tx Oriole]

Everyone has a right to be whatever kind of fan they want to be, pessimist, optimist, fair weather(the worst), casual, bad wagon. I'm a realist. And just because a player puts on my team's uniform, doesn't mean I like him. When Albert Belle put on the Orioles uniform, it was horrible. I couldn't root for him. Almost the same with Bonilla. Couldn't stand the sight of him. Doesn't make me less of a fan.

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I do. Anytime a player puts on the black and orange I'll cheer for him. As for

Belle it wasn't his fault that he had a degenerative hip condition. I cheered my ass

for him just like the other players. Doesn't matter who the players are. They are

O's.

[NashLumber]

Baseball fans find any reason to be optimists or pessimists, irrationally and subjectively. Orioles fans are notorious for this. We'll make excuses for losing and turn utility players into HOFers.

Agreed. Well said.

Btw, Oct. 1 is Flaherty statue day. Bring the kids.

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[abbott]

Agreed. Well said.

Btw, Oct. 1 is Flaherty statue day. Bring the kids.

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Flaherty has to wait until Kiko Garcia and Felix Pie get their monuments.

And Tx, I didn't hate Belle because of his hip, I hated him when he was with the Indians and was a despicable human being. ARod, Barry Bonds and Roger Clemens were Apostles compared to Belle. I'll take production over character, usually, but Belle failed that test, too

[Frobby]

Everyone has a right to be whatever kind of fan they want to be, pessimist, optimist, fair weather(the worst), casual, bad wagon. I'm a tealist.

I support your right to be any kind of fan you want to be. As to who is a realist, that is in the eyes of the beholder. To me, a true realist is one who realizes that baseball seasons are pretty unpredictable and that much will be decided by unexpected pleasant surprises, disappointments and injuries. Anyon who expresses a great degree of certainty about how a season will play out is not a realist, IMO. I'm not singling you out here, just making a general statement.

I consider myself an optimistic realist. But perhaps I'm more of a realistic optimist.

[Three Run Homer]

Yesterday the O's went something like 1-for-12 with RISP and managed only one run despite having 16 baserunners. That's the kind of bad luck that tends to even out over a long season--so let's be happy that we're getting our bad luck out of the way now!

[webbrick2010]

And today we lose to a SS Phillies team, with about 1/2 of our regulars in the lineup and dominated by Phillies farmhands.

No way that a nine game losing streak isn't an indicator of the state of the team

At the very least we can see that our high level prospects are inferior, which I think most realize

and it's not just losing it's getting blown out of almost every game this spring

This team can't get on base, can't run the bases, can't catch a fly ball, and can't put pressure on the other teams defense because of what I expect will be the lowest number of balls in play

in the majors.

[Rockford]

If they were winning, we'd all be: "winning early is important, it establishes the 'can-win' attitude"

When ST doesn't go our way it's all about " young players getting their feet wet, pitchers just warming up and not showing their real stuff and just working out 3rd and 4th pitches and new stuff. Hitters are just trying to make contact..."

If we go 10-2 the first 2 weeks of the season we are all: Great starts mean great ending"

If we go 2-10 the first 2 weeks, we are all " it's a]early, wait till the weather and bats heat up"

Baseball fans find any reason to be optimists or pessimists, irrationally and subjectively. Orioles fans are notorious for this. We'll make excuses for losing and turn utility players into HOFers.

Some folks would be carving up the Blue Jays, Yankees or Red Sox if they started 0-9-1 in spring training.

With the Blue Jays, the narrative would be it's a dysfunctional clubhouse and this is bound to carry over into the regular season.

With the Yankees, the narrative would be players are showing their age and the regular season hasn't even started yet. They're toast.

With the Red Sox, the narrative would be overhyped team with some bloated contracts and suspect starting pitching that will find its way into the cellar once again.

[allquixotic]

I think they can and will improve over the course of the season, but there's little doubt that they have played rather poorly in the first 10 games of the season, as a team.

I just hope that by the last week of spring training they'll start getting it into their heads that it's important to win games instead of just feeling like they're out there to have fun and get some good swings in. A team without a passion to win ends up sub-.500 for the season.

[NashLumber]

Perspective:

The Almighty Cubs are 1-6 and are losing today. Fowler is batting .100.

Yankees have won only 2.

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[Can_of_corn]

I think they can and will improve over the course of the season, but there's little doubt that they have played rather poorly in the first 10 games of the season, as a team.

I just hope that by the last week of spring training they'll start getting it into their heads that it's important to win games instead of just feeling like they're out there to have fun and get some good swings in. A team without a passion to win ends up sub-.500 for the season.

I would have thought that a team that had gone from 96 wins to 81 wins would already have plenty of passion.