The O's have plenty to trade

[wildcard]

Yes, the O's need starting pitching.  But they have some very good players to trade to get a good return.

Britton - A healthy Britton is worth every bit as much as the Yankees got for  Andrew Miller.   Two 1st round prospects plus two other players.   The O's can trade Brittton to a contender for prospects and then send the prospects to a 2nd division team for a starter or two.   The O's can afford  to trade  Britton because they have Brach, O'Day and Givens at the back end of the pen.  And the O's know that Boras will see to it that Britton goes through free agency after 2018 where Britton gets a five year contract that the O's ownership have  no interest in giving to a pitcher.

Sisco -  Baseball American has Sisco as the #57 prospect.   That is worth something.good in return.   Sisco is young, can hit for average and over time probably hits for power if he is not in Harbor Park but really does not have the arm to catch in the majors.   That probably makes him a left fielder at some point.   The O's have Mancini, Hays, Mullins,  Jones maybe Mountcastle all ahead of Sisco in the outfield.   The can probably extend Castillo, have Joseph and Wynns is a good defensive catcher who  looks like he will hit.  So trade Sisco for starting pitching.

Stwwart - Is a 1st round pick that is hitting for an 800 OPS (almost) at AA at 23 years young..      Teams pay for a prospect like that.   He is behind,Mancini, Hays, Mullins , Jones and Mountcastle. Agains go get a starter.

I think the O's can add starting pitching with really not hurting  the minor league talent that will make to the majors with the O's.   Pitchers like Harvey, Sedlock, Akin, Scott, and AJ Hall can stay in the system.

I think the O's have enough to trade to get starter help.  Dan says the O's aren't sellers.  Well actually with these trades the O's are buyers.  JMO

 

[DirtyBird]

Sisco and Stewart ain't bringing anything back in a trade

[billw76]

I'm all for trading Britton for a nice haul, but Sisco and Stewart will get us little to nothing, at least not a frontline starter. DD would be foolish to trade Mountcastle at this point, we need to be adding more young talent to the farm not trading it for marginal upgrades that don't move the needle.

[Cumberbundy]

Britton, Brach, Givens all need to be traded. 

[wildcard]

2 minutes ago, billw76 said:

I'm all for trading Britton for a nice haul, but Sisco and Stewart will get us little to nothing, at least not a frontline starter. DD would be foolish to trade Mountcastle at this point, we need to be adding more young talent to the farm not trading it for marginal upgrades that don't move the needle.

Bundy and Gausman are the O's frontline starters.  If the O's can get a decent #3 or #4  for Sisco or Stewart it would be welcome help to the rotation.  An upgrade to Miley, Jiemenz and Tillman at this point.

[PaulFolk]

7 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Sisco and Stewart ain't bringing anything back in a trade

I half agree. I think Sisco could bring something useful, though obviously not a top guy.

But Stewart...yeah, no. Nobody is beating down the door for D.J. Stewart. He'd be nothing more than a throw-in for a trade. Someone else would have to be the centerpiece.

[wildcard]

1 minute ago, Cumberbundy said:

Britton, Brach, Givens all need to be traded. 

Sounds like you want to blow it up which the O's are very unlikely to do.  The O's can probably extend Brach and Givens is not going to be traded anytime soon IMO.

[billw76]

The team as its presently built needs more than a #3 or #4. We need an anchor to the rotation, someone who can consistently go deeper into games giving the bullpen a rest. Even if we were somehow able to grab a TOR starter that makes this team what? This team is more than one good starter away from being a real contender.

[wildcard]

6 minutes ago, billw76 said:

The team as its presently built needs more than a #3 or #4. We need an anchor to the rotation, someone who can consistently go deeper into games giving the bullpen a rest. Even if we were somehow able to grab a TOR starter that makes this team what? This team is more than one good starter away from being a real contender.

I think you are dreaming if you think the O's are going to add a TOR starter.   Gausman is going to have to pitch like he did in the 2nd half of 2016.  And Bundy will need  rest but he is the team's long term ace.   The O's need to add at least to major league starters.   I would not be surprised to see Jason Wheeler be the 5th starter before too long.

[Legend_Of_Joey]

Britton would get something big.

Sisco would possibly get a back end reliever under a year and a half of team control, mainly due to his hitting and his Baseball America prospect status.

Stewart would either have to be an add on, or you'll get a role/bench player, similar to how Jonah Heim brought Steve Pearce last year.

The outfielder list is big, so there could be a moving piece.

[wildcard]

7 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

Britton would get something big.

Sisco would possibly get a back end reliever under a year and a half of team control, mainly due to his hitting and his Baseball America prospect status.

Stewart would either have to be an add on, or you'll get a role/bench player, similar to how Jonah Heim brought Steve Pearce last year.

The outfielder list is big, so there could be a moving piece.

Heim was hitting 643 OPS in A+ ball when he was traded and he was a 4th round draft chice.   There is not comparison to Stewart there.

[Cumberbundy]

4 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Sounds like you want to blow it up which the O's are very unlikely to do.  The O's can probably extend Brach and Givens is not going to be traded anytime soon IMO.

I want the O's to be as good as they can possibly be, contenders tend to overpay for RPs at the deadline. Finding RPs isn't that difficult, finding prospects is incredibly difficult. I think we have a new core to build around, Bundy, Gausman, Schoop, Machado, Mancini; then Mullens, Sisco, Hays, Mountcastle look like future contributors in the minors....then Harvey & Hall have the chance to be special in a few years. I want to Trade jones and Castillo too. I don't think that's blowing it up, imo the O's are blown up and have the opportunity to correct some mistakes right now. I'd sign Machado. People who want to blow it up suggest dealing Bundy/Gaus/Schoop...I think that's ridiculous. 

Mullens/Machado/Schoop/Davis/Trumbo/Mancini/Hays/Mountcastle/Sisco is a fine lineup with me heading into 2019. The players traded could bring back a guy or two who could crack that lineup, and we can find fans to give us what Miley/Tillman/Ubaldo give us. If Angelos would deal with Washington, who blew another save, we could add an elite OF prospect & a good pitching prospect. We aren't going to a World Series with this group, but I like the under 26 talent that we haven't given away. I like what we've got, I think we are closer to winning something substantial with good evaluation & trades for youth than we are doing the opposite. 

Hays & Mullens had great days today. It's hard not to be excited for them, I'd let them play with the big club and bring some enthusiasm to the dugout. We are poorly constructed - we can remedy that with a bit of patience & honest self/team evaluation by Duq. Duq seems like he wants to hit a 10 team parlay rather than winning one deal at a time. Giving up firsts for guys no one wants is praying for a miracle, it made no sense to do most of the big things he's done. We may luck out on letting Cruz walk. We are incredibly fortunate that no one wanted Mancini thrown in for a bum Dan was fixated on. 

 

[wildcard]

3 minutes ago, Cumberbundy said:

I want the O's to be as good as they can possibly be, contenders tend to overpay for RPs at the deadline. Finding RPs isn't that difficult, finding prospects is incredibly difficult. I think we have a new core to build around, Bundy, Gausman, Schoop, Machado, Mancini; then Mullens, Sisco, Hays, Mountcastle look like future contributors in the minors....then Harvey & Hall have the chance to be special in a few years. I want to Trade jones and Castillo too. I don't think that's blowing it up, imo the O's are blown up and have the opportunity to correct some mistakes right now. I'd sign Machado. People who want to blow it up suggest dealing Bundy/Gaus/Schoop...I think that's ridiculous. 

Mullens/Machado/Schoop/Davis/Trumbo/Mancini/Hays/Mountcastle/Sisco is a fine lineup with me heading into 2019. The players traded could bring back a guy or two who could crack that lineup, and we can find fans to give us what Miley/Tillman/Ubaldo give us. If Angelos would deal with Washington, who blew another save, we could add an elite OF prospect & a good pitching prospect. We aren't going to a World Series with this group, but I like the under 26 talent that we haven't given away. I like what we've got, I think we are closer to winning something substantial with good evaluation & trades for youth than we are doing the opposite. 

Hays & Mullens had great days today. It's hard not to be excited for them, I'd let them play with the big club and bring some enthusiasm to the dugout. We are poorly constructed - we can remedy that with a bit of patience & honest self/team evaluation by Duq. Duq seems like he wants to hit a 10 team parlay rather than winning one deal at a time. Giving up firsts for guys no one wants is praying for a miracle, it made no sense to do most of the big things he's done. We may luck out on letting Cruz walk. We are incredibly fortunate that no one wanted Mancini thrown in for a bum Dan was fixated on. 

 

The Nationals and Tigers have had trouble with their pen for years.  Its not that easy to have a great pen.  

[thatbearflies]

2 minutes ago, wildcard said:

The Nationals and Tigers have had trouble with their pen for years.  Its not that easy to have a great pen.  

This sent me down one of those "what ever happened to..." holes and I looked up Joba Chamberlain. Hard to believe he is currently out of baseball. Well, performance wise, maybe it isn't, but if you remember back to all the hype when he was just starting out with the Yankees and now he is an irrelevant free agent, quite a fall. Lest we forget some of my lasting memories of him as a player.

                                                   
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[billw76]

I agree Britton would bring back a nice haul, but I think your over valuing Sisco. He's #85 on MLB Top 100 and even lower in other rankings. At this point he's more of the add on prospect than a package headliner.

I think we're better off trading Britton, Brach, O'Day, Machado, Jones, Davis, Castillo and any of guys like Trumbo, Kim and Smith. I think that would set the team up much better for 2019 and beyond.

I don't think this team as it is can win a championship. One dimensional offense, a defense thats getting worse, and for the most part horrible starting pitching. Trading for a #3 or #4 type starter gets us nowhere, it's the same kind of trade DD has been making pretty much every deadline, besides Miller the deals really haven't helped all that much.