Winter Meetings 2017

[Luke-OH]

9 minutes ago, weams said:

That takes out Machado there. 

Does it though?  They have enough assets for both. Not necessarily prospects but young controllable talent.

[MDtransplant757]

7 minutes ago, phillyOs119 said:

Does it though?  They have enough assets for both. Not necessarily prospects but young controllable talent.

They have other concerns too. Such as the BP. They're rumored to be in on Longoria, too

[Il BuonO]

31 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I was just answering the poster’s question: other than Angelos, who thought signing Davis to a long term deal was a good move?   The answer is, there were a lot of people who liked the deal, and others who thought the specific deal was too long and/or pricey but who weren’t against signing Davis long-term in principle.   Put me in that second category; if Davis had been signed for say, 5/$90 mm I would have been OK with it.    In any event, it appears the deal will turn out worse than even most pessimists expected, because it was the earlier years of the deal that held the most potential for value, and now those years have been disappointing (2016) or disastrous (2017).     Most people knew the back end was likely to be bad, but had hoped that the first 3-4 years would be good.   

Even with there being no comp to support such a signing? With self-imposed constraints of this ownership group I’m surprised. How about this: would you have still been in favor at the time if it was likely they would not pay Machado? Now, of course that’s hindsight, but some of the suggestions that this franchise can’t afford Machado are specious at best.

Without the money spent on Davis at the time, they could have made a much better offer to a more complete player. 

Allocation of available resources to valuable assets is important, especially in Baltimore. In that context, I believe the deal for Davis greatly affected their ability to sign Machado. 

[clapdiddy]

I'm sure the O's staff is all huddled up now to review which player(s) they will take in the Rule 5 draft.   

[MDtransplant757]

Come on, trade or sign someone. 

[orioles119]

5 minutes ago, MDtransplant757 said:

Come on, trade or sign someone. 

Says about 90% of the fans of all teams at this point.

#boringWinterMeetings

[MDtransplant757]

Just now, orioles119 said:

Says about 90% of the fans of all teams at this point.

#boringWinterMeetings

Love who the O's are connected to for the most part. Just want something to happen

[Lucky_13]

Is this all the Cardinals gave up? 

Anyone seen anything else 

[billw76]

Alcantara is the only name I've seen too. Maybe it's possible they're still in on Manny

[Luke-OH]

5 minutes ago, Lucky_13 said:

Is this all the Cardinals gave up? 

Anyone seen anything else 

Probably one of their young outfielders and a less touted pitching prospect. Still have the pieces for Manny if they’re really going for it.

 

[clapdiddy]

1 minute ago, billw76 said:

Alcantara is the only name I've seen too. Maybe it's possible they're still in on Manny

With what they got for Stanton, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeter undersold.   We need to look into Yelich.

[Lucky_13]

If Cardinals somehow get Manny too, they'll be a tough team to beat. 

[Frobby]

50 minutes ago, Il BuonO said:

Even with there being no comp to support such a signing? With self-imposed constraints of this ownership group I’m surprised. How about this: would you have still been in favor at the time if it was likely they would not pay Machado? Now, of course that’s hindsight, but some of the suggestions that this franchise can’t afford Machado are specious at best.

Without the money spent on Davis at the time, they could have made a much better offer to a more complete player. 

Allocation of available resources to valuable assets is important, especially in Baltimore. In that context, I believe the deal for Davis greatly affected their ability to sign Machado. 

Here's part of what I wrote on the day of the trade:
 

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This is too much money for too many years.   Chances are we’ll regret this by 2020 at the latest...

It’s Manny I worry about.   Extending him should be the highest priority.   If this deal leaves us with insufficient resources to do that, then that’s a disaster.

 

I don't think a 5/$90 mm deal would have prevented us from signing Manny long term, partly because that deal would only have overlapped Manny's FA years by two seasons.

I would not say there were no successful comps to Davis, just that the unsuccessful ones outnumbered the successful ones.    Here's an article that I considered the best one on that subject back at that time:  https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/chris-davis-a-risk-in-free-agency/

[billw76]

3 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

With what they got for Stanton, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeter undersold.   We need to look into Yelich.

Maybe they took less for Ozuna to make up for Stanton vetoing the trade they had in place. I understand Stanton was a salary dump, but man it seems like the Marlins are getting very little in return in these trades.

[Luke-OH]

5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

With what they got for Stanton, I wouldn't be surprised if Jeter undersold.   We need to look into Yelich.

That would clear out our system unless it involves prospects acquired in a Machado trade.  If I was the Marlins I’d want an elite talent (top 10 prospect type) which the O’s don’t have.  So they’d have to trade Hays and add a ton of their other top prospects too.