Slow Offseason around MLB

[Redskins Rick]

5 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

I'm not so sure about that.   His issues here were about people trying to change his approach too much.

If his velocity is declining, there's not a whole lot he can do about it.   If he's able to make some changes to accommodate that, he could still have success.   I'm just not sure giving him a 4 or 5 year deal to find out.

Jamie Moyer says "Hey".

Seriously, I agree with you, they have to turn from being a hurler/thrower to a pitcher, be able to change speeds and hit corners, and they can still have success.

But, odds are against it, and thats why the league is balking at his 125 million 5 year deal, he believes he is worth.

 

[interloper]

48 minutes ago, clapdiddy said:

I'm not so sure about that.   His issues here were about people trying to change his approach too much.

If his velocity is declining, there's not a whole lot he can do about it.   If he's able to make some changes to accommodate that, he could still have success.   I'm just not sure giving him a 4 or 5 year deal to find out.

It would be extremely Orioles to have the same pitcher twice during his only sucky years.

[Can_of_corn]

 

[Can_of_corn]

 

[El Gordo]

9 hours ago, cimota said:

He would just take a long contract with an opt-out. No way Arrieta takes a one year deal. He turned down what Darvish received.  If Arrieta took a one year 25 million dollar contract and blew out his shoulder Boras would be hard pressed to find another client.   He can just do a 6 year contract with an opt out after one year.  There is no lack of people bidding on Arrieta.   He didn't just have a year like Tilman did. 

What team is offering him 6 years and an opp out.? He's not getting near Darvish money. He is too old, has lost some mph on his FB , and has declined the last two years. Just maybe the Cubs know something

[Bahama O's Fan]

I have no doubt that if we signed him, he would suck. No reasons why, but that's what happens to us with starting pitchers.

[Frobby]

31 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

What team is offering him 6 years and an opp out.? He's not getting near Darvish money. He is too old, has lost some mph on his FB , and has declined the last two years. Just maybe the Cubs know something

He’s about four months older than Darvish.    

[El Gordo]

29 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He’s about four months older than Darvish.    

The Darvis contract was stupid as well. I'm not giving 6 years to a 32 YO SP.

[Frobby]

24 minutes ago, El Gordo said:

The Darvis contract was stupid as well. I'm not giving 6 years to a 32 YO SP.

Neither would I.   But at least the annual price wasn’t too bad.   Lester was a year younger when he signed his Cubs deal, but got $29 mm more for the same number of years.    

[Il BuonO]

10 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Neither would I.   But at least the annual price wasn’t too bad.   Lester was a year younger when he signed his Cubs deal, but got $29 mm more for the same number of years.    

And Darvish got $21? Wow, I like Lester, but $50 mil AAV is too much.

[atomic]

14 hours ago, El Gordo said:

What team is offering him 6 years and an opp out.? He's not getting near Darvish money. He is too old, has lost some mph on his FB , and has declined the last two years. Just maybe the Cubs know something

So you are saying the Cubs know he is better than people think he is?  Not sure your logic.  Anyway I don't care if Arrieta gets a 5 year or 6 year or a 7 year contract. He isn't going to be on the Orioles and most likely not in American League East so it effects me little. 

I just don't get people on here thinking Arrieta has to settle for some contract that is like 4 year 15 million a year. He will get way more than that.  He may be on the decline but his strike outs per 9 innings didn't go down and his walk rate went down.  I don't see how he gets less than 5 years 100 million.  Look what we paid for Chris Davis a guy a who hit .196 in 2014.  Someone is going to pay him big bucks and the long years.  

[clapdiddy]

2 minutes ago, birdwatcher55 said:

 

 

I feel Darvish could break down any time. Its lunacy to give this guy at 6 year deal. But hey it's there $$$$

Yup...can't blame a guy for taking the money!   

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, birdwatcher55 said:

 

 

I feel Darvish could break down any time. Its lunacy to give this guy at 6 year deal. But hey it's there $$$$

But all of them could break down at any time.

I like Darvish's chances of making it through 2018 healthy more than I like Gausman or Bundy's .

[weams]

11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

But all of them could break down at any time.

I like Darvish's chances of making it through 2018 healthy more than I like Gausman or Bundy's .

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/bs-sp-schmuck-theory-on-free-agent-freeze-20180212-story.html

[Frobby]

59 minutes ago, cimota said:

 

I just don't get people on here thinking Arrieta has to settle for some contract that is like 4 year 15 million a year. He will get way more than that.  He may be on the decline but his strike outs per 9 innings didn't go down and his walk rate went down.  I don't see how he gets less than 5 years 100 million.  Look what we paid for Chris Davis a guy a who hit .196 in 2014.  Someone is going to pay him big bucks and the long years.  

I agree he’ll get substantially more than 4/$60 mm.   But using Davis is a poor example, because the market has clearly changed since we signed Davis.