The Orioles have the worst record in MLB

[OsEatAlEast]

At this point in the season the 1988 Orioles were 4-28.

[Uli2001]

All by themselves now.

Also the most runs given up and worst run differential in MLB.

Brady and company should be proud.

[allquixotic]

As of May 8, 2017, the worst team in baseball by win percentage was the San Francisco Giants at 11-22. They went on to finish last in MLB, tied with the Tigers, at 64-98. So the worst two teams in MLB in 2017 were not quite 100 loss teams. They did not fire Bruce Bochy, who managed World Series winning teams in 2010, 2012 and 2014, so giving him some rope on a bad season is understandable. However, in the 2017 off-season, they basically canned all their coaches.

This year, the Reds, the only other team as bad as the Orioles, fired their manager of four seasons and their pitching coach on April 19. Granted, he never had a good time as the manager of the Reds. The Reds were in fourth or last place in 2014 through 2017, and were never seen as a postseason contender. He got a lot less rope than Bochy and was sent packing after a bad start to 2018.

After a false start in 2011, Showalter turned around the Orioles for an every-other-year contender, and an occasionally mediocre team on odd-numbered years, from 2012 through 2017. Six years, one division title, two ALDS appearances, and three postseason appearances.

The Orioles were not embarrassingly awful in the off years between their trips to the postseason until 2017. They were 8 games over .500 in 2013, and exactly .500 in 2015. In 2017 they were 12 games under .500, suggesting that the team was on the decline after stopping by the postseason for a cup of coffee in 2016. It was the first season since the Orioles' return to the postseason that they finished under .500 -- but not just slightly; they were well off the mark.

Buck's worst full season to date was 2011, where they finished 69-93. This year, they are poised to blaze past that, and will be as many games under .500 as they finished the season with in 2011 if they lose their next 5 games -- a distinct possibility, given how they've been playing. From there it is likely to get even worse, because there is no indication that the team or the management will get any better any time soon.

I expect Buck will get more rope than Bryan Price -- whose teams were absolutely awful over four straight years, with no signs of life -- but less than Bruce Bochy, who has three World Series rings with the Giants this decade. That means this is about exactly right for the time to fire him, based on the amount of rope managers get from other teams.

2012, 2014 and 2016 may have buoyed Buck to being a good manager for a time, but it's time to say goodbye.

 

[ChuckS]

10 minutes ago, allquixotic said:

As of May 8, 2017, the worst team in baseball by win percentage was the San Francisco Giants at 11-22. They went on to finish last in MLB, tied with the Tigers, at 64-98. So the worst two teams in MLB in 2017 were not quite 100 loss teams. They did not fire Bruce Bochy, who managed World Series winning teams in 2010, 2012 and 2014, so giving him some rope on a bad season is understandable. However, in the 2017 off-season, they basically canned all their coaches.

This year, the Reds, the only other team as bad as the Orioles, fired their manager of four seasons and their pitching coach on April 19. Granted, he never had a good time as the manager of the Reds. The Reds were in fourth or last place in 2014 through 2017, and were never seen as a postseason contender. He got a lot less rope than Bochy and was sent packing after a bad start to 2018.

After a false start in 2011, Showalter turned around the Orioles for an every-other-year contender, and an occasionally mediocre team on odd-numbered years, from 2012 through 2017. Six years, one division title, two ALDS appearances, and three postseason appearances.

The Orioles were not embarrassingly awful in the off years between their trips to the postseason until 2017. They were 8 games over .500 in 2013, and exactly .500 in 2015. In 2017 they were 12 games under .500, suggesting that the team was on the decline after stopping by the postseason for a cup of coffee in 2016. It was the first season since the Orioles' return to the postseason that they finished under .500 -- but not just slightly; they were well off the mark.

Buck's worst full season to date was 2011, where they finished 69-93. This year, they are poised to blaze past that, and will be as many games under .500 as they finished the season with in 2011 if they lose their next 5 games -- a distinct possibility, given how they've been playing. From there it is likely to get even worse, because there is no indication that the team or the management will get any better any time soon.

I expect Buck will get more rope than Bryan Price -- whose teams were absolutely awful over four straight years, with no signs of life -- but less than Bruce Bochy, who has three World Series rings with the Giants this decade. That means this is about exactly right for the time to fire him, based on the amount of rope managers get from other teams.

2012, 2014 and 2016 may have buoyed Buck to being a good manager for a time, but it's time to say goodbye.

 

All this is true.  But you are underestimating Buck's sway/popularity with ownership.  I think he either signs an extension or leaves on his own accord.  

 

[HokieOs]

1 hour ago, allquixotic said:

As of May 8, 2017, the worst team in baseball by win percentage was the San Francisco Giants at 11-22. They went on to finish last in MLB, tied with the Tigers, at 64-98. So the worst two teams in MLB in 2017 were not quite 100 loss teams. They did not fire Bruce Bochy, who managed World Series winning teams in 2010, 2012 and 2014, so giving him some rope on a bad season is understandable. However, in the 2017 off-season, they basically canned all their coaches.

This year, the Reds, the only other team as bad as the Orioles, fired their manager of four seasons and their pitching coach on April 19. Granted, he never had a good time as the manager of the Reds. The Reds were in fourth or last place in 2014 through 2017, and were never seen as a postseason contender. He got a lot less rope than Bochy and was sent packing after a bad start to 2018.

After a false start in 2011, Showalter turned around the Orioles for an every-other-year contender, and an occasionally mediocre team on odd-numbered years, from 2012 through 2017. Six years, one division title, two ALDS appearances, and three postseason appearances.

The Orioles were not embarrassingly awful in the off years between their trips to the postseason until 2017. They were 8 games over .500 in 2013, and exactly .500 in 2015. In 2017 they were 12 games under .500, suggesting that the team was on the decline after stopping by the postseason for a cup of coffee in 2016. It was the first season since the Orioles' return to the postseason that they finished under .500 -- but not just slightly; they were well off the mark.

Buck's worst full season to date was 2011, where they finished 69-93. This year, they are poised to blaze past that, and will be as many games under .500 as they finished the season with in 2011 if they lose their next 5 games -- a distinct possibility, given how they've been playing. From there it is likely to get even worse, because there is no indication that the team or the management will get any better any time soon.

I expect Buck will get more rope than Bryan Price -- whose teams were absolutely awful over four straight years, with no signs of life -- but less than Bruce Bochy, who has three World Series rings with the Giants this decade. That means this is about exactly right for the time to fire him, based on the amount of rope managers get from other teams.

2012, 2014 and 2016 may have buoyed Buck to being a good manager for a time, but it's time to say goodbye.

 

At this point, I think Buck has at least earned the ability to finish out 2018 if he wants. I mean, it's not as if firing him and bringing someone else for the rest of the season is going to transform this club into a playoff team... or even a .500 team. 2018 will be the swan song for quite a few Os. 2019 will be the year of the youth (hopefully after having acquired some youth from trading veterans for guys who can begin to help us in 2019). We may well bottom out again, but at least we might just get two top picks in a row. That doesn't guarantee anything, but at least the pick is ours to screw up first.

[OsEatAlEast]

Game 34

1988 (5-29)

2018 (8-26)

At this point I'd rather be at work than watch an O's game.

[Uli2001]

10 hours ago, allquixotic said:

As of May 8, 2017, the worst team in baseball by win percentage was the San Francisco Giants at 11-22. They went on to finish last in MLB, tied with the Tigers, at 64-98. So the worst two teams in MLB in 2017 were not quite 100 loss teams. They did not fire Bruce Bochy, who managed World Series winning teams in 2010, 2012 and 2014, so giving him some rope on a bad season is understandable. However, in the 2017 off-season, they basically canned all their coaches.

This year, the Reds, the only other team as bad as the Orioles, fired their manager of four seasons and their pitching coach on April 19. Granted, he never had a good time as the manager of the Reds. The Reds were in fourth or last place in 2014 through 2017, and were never seen as a postseason contender. He got a lot less rope than Bochy and was sent packing after a bad start to 2018.

After a false start in 2011, Showalter turned around the Orioles for an every-other-year contender, and an occasionally mediocre team on odd-numbered years, from 2012 through 2017. Six years, one division title, two ALDS appearances, and three postseason appearances.

The Orioles were not embarrassingly awful in the off years between their trips to the postseason until 2017. They were 8 games over .500 in 2013, and exactly .500 in 2015. In 2017 they were 12 games under .500, suggesting that the team was on the decline after stopping by the postseason for a cup of coffee in 2016. It was the first season since the Orioles' return to the postseason that they finished under .500 -- but not just slightly; they were well off the mark.

Buck's worst full season to date was 2011, where they finished 69-93. This year, they are poised to blaze past that, and will be as many games under .500 as they finished the season with in 2011 if they lose their next 5 games -- a distinct possibility, given how they've been playing. From there it is likely to get even worse, because there is no indication that the team or the management will get any better any time soon.

I expect Buck will get more rope than Bryan Price -- whose teams were absolutely awful over four straight years, with no signs of life -- but less than Bruce Bochy, who has three World Series rings with the Giants this decade. That means this is about exactly right for the time to fire him, based on the amount of rope managers get from other teams.

2012, 2014 and 2016 may have buoyed Buck to being a good manager for a time, but it's time to say goodbye.

 

Good analysis. I think they will hang on to Buck S through the end of the season, unless he decides to leave on his own. It's not Angelos' MO to fire a manager in season. But I do agree that a change is needed. It doesn't take away from what he accomplished, against all odds from bad ownership. In that respect, his situation is not totally unlike Davey Johnson's (there are a lot of differences in other respects). But in Sports, that's the way it works. You need a change from time to time.

[glenn__davis]

2 minutes ago, Uli2001 said:

Good analysis. I think they will hang on to Buck S through the end of the season, unless he decides to leave on his own. It's not Angelos' MO to fire a manager in season. 

I'm not sure why you'd say that.  The past 4 Orioles managers prior to Buck - Lee Mazilli, Sam Perlozzo, Dave Trembley and Juan Samuel - all were fired mid-season, though Samuel was just an interim.

[Yardball85]

but but but.... Cold Weather! and Injuries! 

[TouchemAll]

We've earned it. and I like Buck, but this team may have used up his rope. At some point he's got to take some responsibility for the WORST TEAM IN MLB.

Read that once and let it sink in HOW BAD YOU HAVE TO BE to let that happen?

[Bonecrusher52]

On 5/5/2018 at 1:48 AM, O's84 said:

Slogan of 2018: Tanking with Tillman. 

Slogan of 2018: "Everybody Hates Chris", starring Chris Tillman & Chris Davis.

[DrungoHazewood]

I thought worst team in baseball was a positive?  We've heard for the past 20 years that the only reason to finish with 75 wins was because you're stupid and you don't want good draft picks.  If you're not going to win 90+ you should have the worst record in baseball, right?

[Aglets]

4 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I thought worst team in baseball was a positive?  We've heard for the past 20 years that the only reason to finish with 75 wins was because you're stupid and you don't want good draft picks.  If you're not going to win 90+ you should have the worst record in baseball, right?

"From a certain point of view" it is a positive.   But when you tell your fanbase that you're competing and trying to cash in your chips for one last playoff run with the gang.............

I'm actually ok with them changing to a tanking type philosophy for this year, as long as they're honest with the fans about it and actually get good returns for pieces they trade off..........which at this point I assume would only be Machado.   If anything it might help speed up the rebuild process.

[nadecir]

25 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

I thought worst team in baseball was a positive?  We've heard for the past 20 years that the only reason to finish with 75 wins was because you're stupid and you don't want good draft picks.  If you're not going to win 90+ you should have the worst record in baseball, right?

Yep, and we did it without even trying!  With a $150 million payroll.  Marlins can to it for $100 million, and the Reds for under a $100 million.  The Orioles do it with style.  We have invented a new way of tanking - stealth tanking.  Tell the world you are trying to compete, spend for free agents, and then lose like the best of them.  The other tanking teams won't know what hit them.

[osfan83]

44 minutes ago, nadecir said:

Yep, and we did it without even trying!  With a $150 million payroll.  Marlins can to it for $100 million, and the Reds for under a $100 million.  The Orioles do it with style.  We have invented a new way of tanking - stealth tanking.  Tell the world you are trying to compete, spend for free agents, and then lose like the best of them.  The other tanking teams won't know what hit them.

Well nobody can accuse them of disrespecting the game.