Orioles Deal Gausman/O'Day to Braves - Schoop to Brewers

[wildbillhiccup]

1 minute ago, weams said:

It's a position on the game board. Certainly not a fact. 

Davis is like that load bearing wall that you really want to tear down when you remodel your house, but end up having to work around because of the cost. 

[wildbillhiccup]

Just now, weams said:

Certainly. He does not have the unlimited budget to blow through the lux tax limit. 

I think he has an internal cap for the next few seasons...and it's MUCH lower than the luxury cap limit. 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I'm not willing to go to that extreme, but I do think they've placed financial restrictions on him. Just like I think Duquette was ordered to cut payroll last summer. It had much more to do with saving money then it did restocking the farm system. 

Of course he has a total budget.  No one thinks total control means he isn't working under some type of budget.

Now does he have the right to allocate money as he wishes within that budget?  Certainly more than Dan did.

[wildbillhiccup]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

Of course he has a total budget.  No one thinks total control means he isn't working under some type of budget.

Now does he have the right to allocate money as he wishes within that budget?  Certainly more than Dan did.

I think he does. 

[Can_of_corn]

4 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think he does. 

He might.  Dan didn't.

[TINSTAAPP]

28 minutes ago, Frobby said:

The Gausman trade always will be compared to the contemporaneous Archer trade, which brought Tampa Austin Meadows and Tyler Glasnow.    I argued that Archer was more valuable than Gausman and hence warranted a higher return, but some folks felt either that the two were equivalent or that we should have been able to pick up at least one Meadows/Glasnow level talent.    That’s the context in which the Gausman trade does not look like an A.    And of course, at the time nobody knew Gausman would fall apart this year.    Archer hadn’t exactly been lights out either (5.35 ERA in 20 starts).

I would say Jake Odorizzi would be a better comparison to Gausman and the Rays actually got back a pretty light return for Odorizzi when they traded him after the 2017 season as well. They only got back one player back in return, a 20 year old SS in High A ball named Jermaine Palacios. Maybe there just never was much of a market out there for pitchers like Odorizzi and Gausman.

[Moose Milligan]

I think I was right about Gausman.  Just sayin.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

I think I was right about Gausman.  Just sayin.

You can make a pretty good living betting against Oriole pitching prospects.

[weams]

26 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

I think he has an internal cap for the next few seasons...and it's MUCH lower than the luxury cap limit. 

I think he wishes to spend much less than you wish for him to be able to. 

[Moose Milligan]

Wah wah wah, wah wah wah, wah wah waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh salary relief prospects salary relief waahhhhhhhhh

Does anyone really miss Gausman?  At any time this season have any one of you been like "Damn, I wish we still had Gausman."

I know I haven't.  Even with Eshelman, Woj, etc.  

[wildbillhiccup]

2 minutes ago, weams said:

I think he wishes to spend much less than you wish for him to be able to. 

As long as the salary cap (whatever it is) doesn't hinder the growth of the franchise I have no problem with it. I want him to spend money on prospects and infrastructure. That's it. And no free agent deals, for the next few seasons, longer than one year. 

[TonySoprano]

27 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Wah wah wah, wah wah wah, wah wah waaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh salary relief prospects salary relief waahhhhhhhhh

Does anyone really miss Gausman?  At any time this season have any one of you been like "Damn, I wish we still had Gausman."

I know I haven't.  Even with Eshelman, Woj, etc.  

And Hess, right?   You're a big fan of his I'm sure.    IF we had Gausman we might have missed all the excitement that was Dan Straily. 

[Moose Milligan]

6 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

And Hess, right?   You're a big fan of his I'm sure.    IF we had Gausman we might have missed all the excitement that was Dan Straily. 

Can't stand Hess.  Doesn't mean I miss Gausman.

[LookitsPuck]

Kevin Gausman put up a 2.87 ERA and a 3.78 FIP along with a 1.140 WHIP for the Braves in nearly 60 IP last year. He was 27 when traded and had put up reasonable numbers pitching in the AL East. I mean, he put up a 4.08 FIP (and a 4.18 ERA) pitching in the AL East up through 2017.

Ultimately, I think the package for Gausman was lackluster. It was a quantity vs. quality trade and I'm still bearish on any of those prospects really turning into anything for the O's. Even if it was a salary dump re: getting rid of O'Day's contract, I wish they would have actually gotten something more quality rather than warm bodies, because all of the other pieces from that trade deadline were pretty underwhelming minus the Machado deal.

I haven't been enamored with any of Duquette's deals aside from maybe 2012-2013. After that? Pretty meh.

Anyways, water under the bridge.

[baltfan]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I think I was right about Gausman.  Just sayin.

Me from the day he was drafted. 

Said we should have taken Almora or Akin (but I didn’t have his medicals LOL)