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Buck Showalter will not be back with the team in any capacity

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1 hour ago, Aglets said:

I agree that the decision to let Buck finish out the season was probably made out of respect to him.  Or complete paralysis because of the total and absolute leadership vacuum in the warehouse.   But I'm feeling a little charitable today for some reason.

I just don't get what the point of a mid-season firing would have been?    Would it have been to try to turn around the team and "finish strong"?   Maybe win 55 games instead of 47?   Would it have been to "punish" Buck?   What would have been the point?   I see so many people on here saying he should have been fired mid-season, or would have been if not for respect, and I just don't get it.  What good does a mid-season firing do, unless you have your candidate to replace him all lined up and ready to go.

The only real mid-season firing this year was in St Louis, and there were legitimate reasons for that (apparently Matheny was promoting a toxic clubhouse culture).   I suppose if Buck was 100% in charge of the decision to play Davis nearly full time you could say that he was promoting a losing attitude or an attitude where there was no accountability for bad performance.   But I believe that decision was, if not dictated from above, certainly agreed with.

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1 minute ago, SteveA said:

WHOA! WHOA! WHOA!

We didn't lose 116 games this year.   How dare you insult the Orioles by saying that.   Give the team its due.   They were 47-115.

Its hard to keep track.  I think with my decreased interest in watching games, I credited them an extra loss. 

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37 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

Not sure if anyone saw Buster Olney's tweet, but he implied that the Marlins should hire Buck (in their front office) to help rebuild their franchise. I just don't see it. It'd be really hard for me to put my faith in someone who backed Chris Davis and Chris Tillman. And the whole handling of the Kim situation still leaves a sour taste in my mouth.

I don't get the Kim thing. He was so good that he's playing in Korea now. He was traded and did nothing. He was a platoon player, yet it leaves a sour taste in your mouth?

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2 hours ago, LookitsPuck said:

Ridiculous if news doesn't follow that Duquette is out as well.

End of an era. Buck Showalter brought integrity back to this organization. I'm going to miss him.

Exactly how I feel. If DD stays this is not gonna go well.

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1 hour ago, El Gordo said:

I'm happy with Thorne and Palmer in the booth.

Amen! Jim Hunter is my second least favorite behind Rush Limbaugh.

I actually turned off a few games this year bc I just couldn’t take him anymore. It’s torture. At least Bordick makes some attempt to be objective at times. Hunter is equivalent to watching Faux News.

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10 minutes ago, Malike said:

No he didn't. He basically recognized what it took a year for everyone else to figure out. Kim wasn't good enough.

I disagree. After he tried to send him down and he declined (which was well within his right) he treated him terribly. The Orioles knew what they were getting into when they signed Kim. If they wanted to be able to send him to the minors they shouldn't have agreed on that contract term. Kim should have at least been given a chance to be a platoon type player that years. The numbers supported that idea. But he wasn't one of "Buck's guys". 

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IMO the O's didn't fire Buck mid season because they would have had to pay the rest of his contract anyway and they didn't want to pay two managers at the same time to lose 100+ games.

I think the O's know they are going to lose for at least a couple of years. And they don't want to pay him 3.5-4m to manage a losing team.   It was not because he lost the clubhouse and it was not because he didn't use Britton in the 2016 playin game.   

On Buck's side he does not want a lesser job as an adviser because he can make better money with another team or with the media.

I am very grateful that Buck came to Baltimore and turned the O's into a winning team.   I enjoyed the 2012-2016 years.  I wish him all the best.  He is a class act.

I hope they find a way to keep Bobby Dickerson.   If they hire Mike Bordick as manager that will tell me all I need to know about the near future of the O's and the people in charge.

 

 

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