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While we wait for a new exec,  here is my approach tot he 2019 season.

1.  Put the best defensive team on the field that the O's can.   It helps the pitching and gives the Orioles that have a chance  to be the next wave of a playoff team an opportunity to play.

2.  I don't see the O's spending on FA except for one.   A shortstop on modest cost.

 

2B Villar - Speed at the top on the lineup and a base stealer.  I like him better at 2B than SS.  But he can backup SS.

CF Mullins - Probably a platoon player before the season is over but he gets a chance during ST to prove he can hit lefties.  Better range in CF than last year.  McKenna is a year away from challenge him for CF job.

1B Mancini - He needs to be out of left field for the  most part.  Could be part on the next Os playoff team.

DH Trumbo -  His walk year.  He has the incentive to have a good season.   Let him play and hope he brings back a player at the deadline.

RF Hays -  improves the defense in RF and allows him to learn at the major league level.   He is probably part of the O's next playoff team

3B Nunez -Improved defensively during last year as the season went on.  Showed a bat in the minors that could play in the majors.

LF Stewart - Better than Mancini defensively in left.   Should get a chance in left until Diaz is ready.

C Wynns - Good defensive catcher with a great arm.  Showed the ability to hit for OBP in the minors

SS Jose Iglesias -  Signed 3/18.  Defensive leader of the infield.   I would aggressively sign him.  Not waiting till late in the off season. Beckham non tendered.

Bench

Davis -  At 33 he will not be part of the O's next playoff team.  Can't trade him so he becomes a defense replacement and plays when the can give other players a rest.  His mission from he beginning of the ST is to be able to place a single into left field whenever the defense shifts on him and to  Improve his OBP.

Rickard - Utility OF.  Platoons with Mullins in CF if Mullins proves he needs the help.  Regular defensive replacement in left.

Wilkerson - Backs up 2B/3B.  Plays when Villar shifts to SS to give Iglesias  a  break at SS.

Caleb Joseph -   1.7m is cheap of a backup catcher until Cervenka or Sisco prove ready to take over that spot.

 

Starters

Cobb -  With a good defensive team behind  he should be able to duplicate his 12-10, 3.66 ERA of 2017.  Tradable when a great offer happens.

Bundy - Should be able to duplicate is 13-9, 4.24 ERA of 2017 with a good defense behind him.

Cashner - Should be able to duplicate is 11-11 record of 2017 maybe not 3.40 ERA but a good defense would help him.  Tradable at the deadline.

Hess -  3.81 ERA in the 2nd half of 2018 earns him a spot in the rotation to begin ST.  Up to him to hold it

5th starter competition in ST - Means, Ramirez, Rogers, and Akin

Pen

Givens - It would take a great trade offer to get him.  Available but the bar is high.

Bleier -  Tradable at the deadline for a good offer until then I love to watch this guy.

Fry -   Part of the Os' next playoff team.

Castro - Part of the O's next playoff team.

Gilmartin -  O's need two guys in the pen that can give them a good 4 innings.  He looked good in that role in 2018

Yacabonis -  Not a good consistent starter but a fits the long relief role well.

Araujo  - For 17 days then open to Kline, Phillips, Scott, Carroll, or Meisinger.  Whoever earns it in ST.

 I like this team to be much better than 2018 because the focus would be better defense which helps everything else.   It give the young guys a chance to play while putting experience guys like Villar, Mancini and Trumbo in the best spots to help the team,  Iglesias defense in key for me at shortstop.

What do you think?  Something to talk about until we know who is running the ship. 

 

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27 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Aren't putting the best possible defense out there and playing Mancini at first base mutually exclusive?

I think Mancini can be about as good as Davis, whose defense has slipped the last two years.   He’ll do OK there given regular work.   He’ll certainly do less damage there than in LF.

The team wildcard proposes certainly won’t hit much, and I don’t see Hays making the team out of spring training.    Maybe he’s there by the all star break.   

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It's not a bad approach.  It would be a team lucky to win 60 games, though.  I think we can all agree that any team fielded next year will have little to no expectations.  

Inside of the approach you outlined, @wildcard I am hoping for good performances from Bundy, Givens, Cobb and Villar so they can be dealt.  And I'd be looking to deal Mancini, Trumbo and of course Davis.  Might find a taker for Mancini, but Trumbo and Davis will be hard.

2019 is about the 2nd part of the rebuild to me, which is unloading the players they didn't get to trade in 2018 and trying to salvage what is already looking to be an underwhelming return from the trades made this year.  

Of the remaining players, I'm really only watching the games to see Stewart, Hays and Mullins and what they can do.  

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

While we wait for a new exec,  here is my approach tot he 2019 season.

1.  Put the best defensive team on the field that the O's can.   It helps the pitching and gives the Orioles that have a chance  to be the next wave of a playoff team an opportunity to play.

2.  I don't see the O's spending on FA except for one.   A shortstop on modest cost.

 

2B Villar - Speed at the top on the lineup and a base stealer.  I like him better at 2B than SS.  But he can backup SS.

CF Mullins - Probably a platoon player before the season is over but he gets a chance during ST to prove he can hit lefties.  Better range in CF than last year.  McKenna is a year away from challenge him for CF job.

1B Mancini - He needs to be out of left field for the  the most part.  Could be part on the next Os playoff team.

DH Trumbo -  His walk year.  He has the incentive to have a good season.   Let him play and hope he brings back a player at the deadline.

RF Hays -  improves the defense in RF and allows him to learn at the major league level.   He is probably part of the O's next playoff team

3B Nunez -Improved defensively during last year as the season went on.  Showed a bat in the minors that could play in the majors.

LF Stewart - Better than Mancini defensively in left.   Should get a chance in left until Diaz is ready.

C Wynns - Good defensive catcher with a great arm.  Showed the ability to hit for OBP in the minors

SS Jose Iglesias -  Signed 3/18.  Defensive leader of the infield.   I would aggressively sign him.  Not waiting till late in the off season. Beckham non tendered.

Bench

Davis -  At 33 he will not be part of the O's next playoff team.  Can't trade him so he becomes a defense replacement and plays when the can give other players a rest.  His mission from he being of the ST is to be able to place a single into left field whenever the defense shifts on him and to  Improve his OBP.

Rickard - Utility OF.  Platoons with Mullins in CF if Mullins proves he needs the help.  Regular defensive replacement in left.

Wilkerson - Backs up 2B/3B.  Plays when Villar shifts to SS to give Iglesias  a  break at SS.

Caleb Joseph -   1.7m is cheap of a backup catcher until Cervenka or Sisco prove ready to take over that spot.

 

Starters

Cobb -  With a good defensive team behind  he should be able to duplicate his 12-10, 3.66 ERA of 2017.  Tradable when a great offer happens.

Bundy - Should be able to duplicate is 13-9, 4.24 ERA of 2017 with a good defense behind him.

Cashner - Should be able to duplicate is 11-11 record of 2017 maybe not 3.40 ERA but a good defense would help him.  Tradable at the deadline.

Hess -  3.81 ERA in the 2nd half of 2018 earns him a spot in the rotation to begin ST.  Up to him to hold it

5th starter competition in ST - Means, Ramirez, Rogers, and Akin

Pen

Givens - It would take a great trade offer to get him.  Available but the bar is high.

Bleier -  Tradable at the deadline for a good offer until then I love to watch this guy.

Fry -   Part of the Os' next playoff team.

Castro - Part of the O's next playoff team.

Gilmartin -  O's need two guys in the pen that can give them a good 4 innings.  He looked good in that role in 2018

Yacabonis -  Not a good consistent starter but a fits the long relief role well.

Araujo  - For 17 days then open to Kline, Phillips, Scott, Carroll, or Meisinger.  Whoever earns it in ST.

 I like this team to be much better than 2018 because the focus would be better defense which helps everything else.   It give the young guys a chance to play while putting experience guys like Villar, Mancini and Trumbo in the best spots to help the team,  Iglesias defense in key for me at shortstop.

What do you think?  Something to talk about until we know who is running the ship. 

 

Mancini at 1st would be okay. Wish the O's could dump Davis. 

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

While we wait for a new exec,  here is my approach tot he 2019 season.

1.  Put the best defensive team on the field that the O's can.   It helps the pitching and gives the Orioles that have a chance  to be the next wave of a playoff team an opportunity to play.

2.  I don't see the O's spending on FA except for one.   A shortstop on modest cost.

 

2B Villar - Speed at the top on the lineup and a base stealer.  I like him better at 2B than SS.  But he can backup SS.

CF Mullins - Probably a platoon player before the season is over but he gets a chance during ST to prove he can hit lefties.  Better range in CF than last year.  McKenna is a year away from challenge him for CF job.

1B Mancini - He needs to be out of left field for the  the most part.  Could be part on the next Os playoff team.

DH Trumbo -  His walk year.  He has the incentive to have a good season.   Let him play and hope he brings back a player at the deadline.

RF Hays -  improves the defense in RF and allows him to learn at the major league level.   He is probably part of the O's next playoff team

3B Nunez -Improved defensively during last year as the season went on.  Showed a bat in the minors that could play in the majors.

LF Stewart - Better than Mancini defensively in left.   Should get a chance in left until Diaz is ready.

C Wynns - Good defensive catcher with a great arm.  Showed the ability to hit for OBP in the minors

SS Jose Iglesias -  Signed 3/18.  Defensive leader of the infield.   I would aggressively sign him.  Not waiting till late in the off season. Beckham non tendered.

Bench

Davis -  At 33 he will not be part of the O's next playoff team.  Can't trade him so he becomes a defense replacement and plays when the can give other players a rest.  His mission from he being of the ST is to be able to place a single into left field whenever the defense shifts on him and to  Improve his OBP.

Rickard - Utility OF.  Platoons with Mullins in CF if Mullins proves he needs the help.  Regular defensive replacement in left.

Wilkerson - Backs up 2B/3B.  Plays when Villar shifts to SS to give Iglesias  a  break at SS.

Caleb Joseph -   1.7m is cheap of a backup catcher until Cervenka or Sisco prove ready to take over that spot.

 

Starters

Cobb -  With a good defensive team behind  he should be able to duplicate his 12-10, 3.66 ERA of 2017.  Tradable when a great offer happens.

Bundy - Should be able to duplicate is 13-9, 4.24 ERA of 2017 with a good defense behind him.

Cashner - Should be able to duplicate is 11-11 record of 2017 maybe not 3.40 ERA but a good defense would help him.  Tradable at the deadline.

Hess -  3.81 ERA in the 2nd half of 2018 earns him a spot in the rotation to begin ST.  Up to him to hold it

5th starter competition in ST - Means, Ramirez, Rogers, and Akin

Pen

Givens - It would take a great trade offer to get him.  Available but the bar is high.

Bleier -  Tradable at the deadline for a good offer until then I love to watch this guy.

Fry -   Part of the Os' next playoff team.

Castro - Part of the O's next playoff team.

Gilmartin -  O's need two guys in the pen that can give them a good 4 innings.  He looked good in that role in 2018

Yacabonis -  Not a good consistent starter but a fits the long relief role well.

Araujo  - For 17 days then open to Kline, Phillips, Scott, Carroll, or Meisinger.  Whoever earns it in ST.

 I like this team to be much better than 2018 because the focus would be better defense which helps everything else.   It give the young guys a chance to play while putting experience guys like Villar, Mancini and Trumbo in the best spots to help the team,  Iglesias defense in key for me at shortstop.

What do you think?  Something to talk about until we know who is running the ship. 

 

Considering all the homers he gave up last year, I don't really think the defense had anything to do with his performance last year. Maybe signing some outfielders who are at least 20 feet tall would help.

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12 minutes ago, panick said:

Considering all the homers he gave up last year, I don't really think the defense had anything to do with his performance last year. Maybe signing some outfielders who are at least 20 feet tall would help.

Bundy had 3.75 ERA through 16 starts last year until he hurt his ankle running  the bases.    Then everything went to heck.   He should be a lot better if he can stay healthy.

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/23916947/baltimore-orioles-pitcher-dylan-bundy-placed-dl-due-sprained-ankle

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

While we wait for a new exec,  here is my approach tot he 2019 season.

1.  Put the best defensive team on the field that the O's can.   It helps the pitching and gives the Orioles that have a chance  to be the next wave of a playoff team an opportunity to play.

2.  I don't see the O's spending on FA except for one.   A shortstop on modest cost.

 

2B Villar - Speed at the top on the lineup and a base stealer.  I like him better at 2B than SS.  But he can backup SS.

CF Mullins - Probably a platoon player before the season is over but he gets a chance during ST to prove he can hit lefties.  Better range in CF than last year.  McKenna is a year away from challenge him for CF job.

1B Mancini - He needs to be out of left field for the  the most part.  Could be part on the next Os playoff team.

DH Trumbo -  His walk year.  He has the incentive to have a good season.   Let him play and hope he brings back a player at the deadline.

RF Hays -  improves the defense in RF and allows him to learn at the major league level.   He is probably part of the O's next playoff team

3B Nunez -Improved defensively during last year as the season went on.  Showed a bat in the minors that could play in the majors.

LF Stewart - Better than Mancini defensively in left.   Should get a chance in left until Diaz is ready.

C Wynns - Good defensive catcher with a great arm.  Showed the ability to hit for OBP in the minors

SS Jose Iglesias -  Signed 3/18.  Defensive leader of the infield.   I would aggressively sign him.  Not waiting till late in the off season. Beckham non tendered.

Bench

Davis -  At 33 he will not be part of the O's next playoff team.  Can't trade him so he becomes a defense replacement and plays when the can give other players a rest.  His mission from he being of the ST is to be able to place a single into left field whenever the defense shifts on him and to  Improve his OBP.

Rickard - Utility OF.  Platoons with Mullins in CF if Mullins proves he needs the help.  Regular defensive replacement in left.

Wilkerson - Backs up 2B/3B.  Plays when Villar shifts to SS to give Iglesias  a  break at SS.

Caleb Joseph -   1.7m is cheap of a backup catcher until Cervenka or Sisco prove ready to take over that spot.

 

Starters

Cobb -  With a good defensive team behind  he should be able to duplicate his 12-10, 3.66 ERA of 2017.  Tradable when a great offer happens.

Bundy - Should be able to duplicate is 13-9, 4.24 ERA of 2017 with a good defense behind him.

Cashner - Should be able to duplicate is 11-11 record of 2017 maybe not 3.40 ERA but a good defense would help him.  Tradable at the deadline.

Hess -  3.81 ERA in the 2nd half of 2018 earns him a spot in the rotation to begin ST.  Up to him to hold it

5th starter competition in ST - Means, Ramirez, Rogers, and Akin

Pen

Givens - It would take a great trade offer to get him.  Available but the bar is high.

Bleier -  Tradable at the deadline for a good offer until then I love to watch this guy.

Fry -   Part of the Os' next playoff team.

Castro - Part of the O's next playoff team.

Gilmartin -  O's need two guys in the pen that can give them a good 4 innings.  He looked good in that role in 2018

Yacabonis -  Not a good consistent starter but a fits the long relief role well.

Araujo  - For 17 days then open to Kline, Phillips, Scott, Carroll, or Meisinger.  Whoever earns it in ST.

 I like this team to be much better than 2018 because the focus would be better defense which helps everything else.   It give the young guys a chance to play while putting experience guys like Villar, Mancini and Trumbo in the best spots to help the team,  Iglesias defense in key for me at shortstop.

What do you think?  Something to talk about until we know who is running the ship. 

 

The Orioles shouldn't be signing ANYONE to a three year deal until they let their prospects play and have a better sense of who will stick and what they need. It's wasted money and more importantly handcuffs the team. Their goal this season should be trying to get out of the remainder of their longer term contracts (if they can). 

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If the idea is to try and trade Trumbo, which it has to be, then we need to be playing him at 1B and maybe a bit in the outfield as well a bit of DHing.  Him at straight DH is going to lower the trade value.  All of that assumes he will hit well, but then if he doesn't his position won't matter.

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1 minute ago, gmelson26 said:

If the idea is to try and trade Trumbo, which it has to be, then we need to be playing him at 1B and maybe a bit in the outfield as well a bit of DHing.  Him at straight DH is going to lower the trade value.  All of that assumes he will hit well, but then if he doesn't his position won't matter.

Playing Trumbo in the outfield is not going to increase his trade value.

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8 minutes ago, Aristotelian said:

Agree with the overall philosophy, but there is no way Chris Davis starts the year on the bench.

Give him the opportunity to show he can still hit in ST.   If he does he gets to start the season at 1B.  If he doesn't there is a place on place of the bench for him.

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27 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

The Orioles shouldn't be signing ANYONE to a three year deal until they let their prospects play and have a better sense of who will stick and what they need. It's wasted money and more importantly handcuffs the team. Their goal this season should be trying to get out of the remainder of their longer term contracts (if they can). 

I don't see an Oriole SS in the system that will make the major in the next 3 years.   Grenier played low A ball last year and didn't hit or play defense well enough to deserve a promotion.   If the O's select Bobby Witt Jr he is probably three years away from the majors. Adam Hill was a Aberdeen.  That is probably three years away as well.

If you want to say two years foe Iglesias then I am fine with that as long as it gets him to sign with the O's.

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