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One possible plan that Elias could seek to employ is to trade veteran players this winter.
Players such as Bundy, Villar, Cobb, Cashner, and Mancini (among others) could merit consideration.
I understand that Elias could wait and consider dealing them later, however, in this exercise, what trade value would you assign each were they to be dealt this winter? 
How would their trade value compare to players that we dealt at the deadline this year?
One example: Is Bundy's value similar to Gausman's?

Thanks all.

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Bundy's Value is down right now but some Team may see something the Old Regime didn't (which is what I am hoping the new Management will do). So At this point I would say the Bundy's Value is similar to Gausmans maybe A little better.

 

 

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I expect he will try to trade everyone. It will be interesting to see if he trades players for the best offer he can get before the season starts, or holds out if the offers are not sufficient. Will he eat half or more of Trumbo's salary to get rid of him?

I have no idea how other teams value of our players. Cobb's second half should make him tradeable, but there isn't much excess value to be had, if any. Mancini is the most interesting one for me. He's still fairly young and inexpensive. There might be a team or two out there that thinks they can turn him into someone special. 

Bundy was horrible last year. I don't see how he could be worth as much as Gausman was. 

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50 minutes ago, jem709 said:

Bundy's Value is down right now but some Team may see something the Old Regime didn't (which is what I am hoping the new Management will do). So At this point I would say the Bundy's Value is similar to Gausmans maybe A little better.

 

 

I agree with you that trading Bundy this Winter would likely be a poor decision.  I also agree that with Elias in charge, the new staff may be able to improve the performances of players, like Bundy, thus making their value notably higher.  We'll all know how the new regime will operate... quite soon. I know I'm amped to see it unfold.

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1 hour ago, Greg Pappas said:

I also agree that with Elias in charge, the new staff may be able to improve the performances of players

I'm very much looking forward to the fresh sets of eyes looking over our current guys.  How many players have we let go recently, only to have another team's coaching staff make minor adjustments, and suddenly those players are having success again...?

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2 hours ago, jem709 said:

Bundy's Value is down right now but some Team may see something the Old Regime didn't (which is what I am hoping the new Management will do). So At this point I would say the Bundy's Value is similar to Gausmans maybe A little better.

 

 

Injury history he is not worth what Kevin is.  He may never be well. 

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2 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

Yeah... it'll be interesting to see how Elias goes about things.

What I really mean is Bundy could show up in February with a calcified shoulder and not pitch as a downside. That is the floor for his value. He could blow out an achilles. He could need a Tommy John revision. That is why they always say a season too soon. 

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5 minutes ago, weams said:

What I really mean is Bundy could show up in February with a calcified shoulder and not pitch as a downside. That is the floor for his value. He could blow out an achilles. He could need a Tommy John revision. That is why they always say a season too soon. 

I understand.  It's one of the reasons it's feasible to see Elias deal Bundy.

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1 minute ago, jem709 said:

Ooops That would be Pitcher

With of course that baggage still there... with everyone waiting for the second half or shoe to drop. His value is close to apex as far as I am concerned and he does cost a bit of money now. 

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No one is untouchable and I'm sure Elias will ask around.

That said, I think everyone listed in the OP except Cashner is more likely to see their value increase than decrease between now and July. 

Whether we take whatever we can get now or wait for a possible better return likely depends on a) what offers we're getting, and b) which guys Elias and crew think they can fix up themselves. 

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If it makes sense to make a trade, you do it. The only players that really should be moved are immovable. You can eat half of Trumbos contract but no one will take him. You could eat 3/4 of Davis’ contract and no one will take him. Other than those two it makes more sense to just keep who’s already here unless it’s a pure salary dump. You aren’t getting anything decent for Bundy or Villar. You may as well just keep them and hope they play well enough for a mid season trade. 

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