Would you offer Austin Hays the Scott Kingery deal?

[Frobby]

Last year, before the season began and before he had played in the majors, the Phillies signed Scott Kingery to a deal that guaranteed him 6 years, $24 mm, with three club options at $13, $14 and $15 mm.    Kingery at the time was considered a top 35 prospect by BA, BP and MLB.com, and he was coming off a season where he posted a .987 OPS in AA and then .786 after being promoted to AAA.

As a result of his deal, the Phillies did not have to worry about service time, so Kingery spent all of 2018 on the major league roster.    He had a rough rookie season, posting a .605 OPS and being valued at -1.5 rWAR.

My question is, would you offer Hays that same deal and start him in the majors this year?

[Can_of_corn]

I've stated before that I think it would be wise for teams to lock up their young talent before the next CBA.

[Tx Oriole]

5 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Last year, before the season began and before he had played in the majors, the Phillies signed Scott Kingery to a deal that guaranteed him 6 years, $24 mm, with three club options at $13, $14 and $15 mm.    Kingery at the time was considered a top 35 prospect by BA, BP and MLB.com, and he was coming off a season where he posted a .987 OPS in AA and then .786 after being promoted to AAA.

As a result of his deal, the Phillies did not have to worry about service time, so Kingery spent all of 2018 on the major league roster.    He had a rough rookie season, posting a .605 OPS and being valued at -1.5 rWAR.

My question is, would you offer Hays that same deal and start him in the majors this year?

Yes I would. 

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I've stated before that I think it would be wise for teams to lock up their young talent before the next CBA.

Yup, this poll was created with you in mind.   But I thought it would be good to have a specific proposal on the table.   Kingery was the most recent example I could think of for someone who’d signed before he’d really played in the majors.    Hays, of course, did play for a couple of weeks in 2017.

[wildcard]

No.

Kingery looks like an undersized second baseman forced to be a below average range SS.

[weams]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

No.

Kingery looks like an undersized second baseman forced to be a below average range SS.

I agree. But Hays may be worth visiting after a few months of actual MLB production. 

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

No.

Kingery looks like an undersized second baseman forced to be a below average range SS.

You just wanted to take a shot at Kingery?

[waroriole]

6 minutes ago, wildcard said:

No.

Kingery looks like an undersized second baseman forced to be a below average range SS.

Is there a size requirement for 2B? Brian Roberts and Altuve are asking. 

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

12 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Is there a size requirement for 2B? Brian Roberts and Altuve are asking. 

Dustin Pedroia would like an answer to this pertinent question as well.

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, wildcard said:

No.

Kingery looks like an undersized second baseman forced to be a below average range SS.

I'm not sure this comment really answered his question. I don't think he was looking for a scouting report on Kingery...

[wildbillhiccup]

1 hour ago, Frobby said:

Last year, before the season began and before he had played in the majors, the Phillies signed Scott Kingery to a deal that guaranteed him 6 years, $24 mm, with three club options at $13, $14 and $15 mm.    Kingery at the time was considered a top 35 prospect by BA, BP and MLB.com, and he was coming off a season where he posted a .987 OPS in AA and then .786 after being promoted to AAA.

As a result of his deal, the Phillies did not have to worry about service time, so Kingery spent all of 2018 on the major league roster.    He had a rough rookie season, posting a .605 OPS and being valued at -1.5 rWAR.

My question is, would you offer Hays that same deal and start him in the majors this year?

If the Orioles think that Hays is a part of the team's future then I would do it. I think they're in a much better position to evaluate talent then I am, but my gut tells me locking him up would be a good/cost effective move. I just don't see Hays going the Jon Singleton route. He may not achieve superstar status, but I think his floor is pretty high (i.e. league average major leaguer)

[Moose Milligan]

I would.  Even if Hays doesn't pan out, 4 million a year isn't much and won't hamstring this franchise from doing other things to spend money.

 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, wildbillhiccup said:

If the Orioles think that Hays is a part of the team's future then I would do it. I think they're in a much better position to evaluate talent then I am, but my gut tells me locking him up would be a good/cost effective move. I just don't see Hays going the Jon Singleton route. He may not achieve superstar status, but I think his floor is pretty high (i.e. league average major leaguer)

This seemingly conflicts with your No vote.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Moose Milligan said:

I would.  Even if Hays doesn't pan out, 4 million a year isn't much and won't hamstring this franchise from doing other things to spend money.

 

And the reward is high if he turns into a 3+ win player.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

And the reward is high if he turns into a 3+ win player.

Exactly.  I'd do the Kingery deal for Diaz, too.