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1 hour ago, scOtt said:

One line from the article struck me as particularly positive:

" Some of the minor league pitchers told me that the club has a development plan in place for each pitcher. "

Nice catch. I'm sure this has always been the case, but now those individualized plans are essentially on steroids compared to what used to be done. 

If you think about it, this is a logical follow on to an analytic approach. That approach doesn't just rank stats based on what is important, it quantifies discrete parts of the game whereas before coaching was approached subjectively. The result is knowing more areas that can be fixed and having data to support which areas can be improved the most. If you have that on every player, you can talk to each player about what can best help their game with the support of data linked to quantifiable success, rather than the naked eye linked to experience.

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13 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Nice catch. I'm sure this has always been the case, but now those individualized plans are essentially on steroids compared to what used to be done. 

If you think about it, this is a logical follow on to an analytic approach. That approach doesn't just rank stats based on what is important, it quantifies discrete parts of the game whereas before coaching was approached subjectively. The result is knowing more areas that can be fixed and having data to support which areas can be improved the most. If you have that on every player, you can talk to each player about what can best help their game with the support of data linked to quantifiable success, rather than the naked eye linked to experience.

I think you'd be surprised how disorganized and arbitrary player development often is in the pro game. 

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23 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

Nice catch. I'm sure this has always been the case, but now those individualized plans are essentially on steroids compared to what used to be done. 

If you think about it, this is a logical follow on to an analytic approach. That approach doesn't just rank stats based on what is important, it quantifies discrete parts of the game whereas before coaching was approached subjectively. The result is knowing more areas that can be fixed and having data to support which areas can be improved the most. If you have that on every player, you can talk to each player about what can best help their game with the support of data linked to quantifiable success, rather than the naked eye linked to experience.

I don't know if it's always been the case. Always seemed like the players were never quite sure to me.

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So you know what's going to happen, right?  This is the Orioles. Five years too late they have an administration that puts premium value on individual development plans and strikeouts.  This means that MLB is going to disband affiliated minor league systems and start relying on colleges and indy leagues, and buying players when they're ready for the majors.  And they're going to move the mound back three feet and mandating minimum bat weights and diameters, ushering in a new age of contact hitting.

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8 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So you know what's going to happen, right?  This is the Orioles. Five years too late they have an administration that puts premium value on individual development plans and strikeouts.  This means that MLB is going to disband affiliated minor league systems and start relying on colleges and indy leagues, and buying players when they're ready for the majors.  And they're going to move the mound back three feet and mandating minimum bat weights and diameters, ushering in a new age of contact hitting.

Cuz chicks and fans dig the longball...

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

So you know what's going to happen, right?  This is the Orioles. Five years too late they have an administration that puts premium value on individual development plans and strikeouts.  This means that MLB is going to disband affiliated minor league systems and start relying on colleges and indy leagues, and buying players when they're ready for the majors.  And they're going to move the mound back three feet and mandating minimum bat weights and diameters, ushering in a new age of contact hitting.

I'm fully expecting them to build a huge complex in the DR only to have the next CBA include an International draft.

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3 minutes ago, byrdz said:

It's just baffling we weren't doing this before now. It just seems so commonsense.

Its easy to say that now.

But, change is not always welcome, and baseball still has old school guys around with old school traditions.

I think with Houston doing it so well and improving their teams, others are seeing the benefit and are trying to get up to speed along that line.

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I highly suggest the book Big Data Baseball by Travis Sawchik (sp).  Its about how the Pirates, arguably the cheapest team in baseball, were doing this 5 years ago.  And even they were 5 years behind teams like Cleveland.

It has to start in the minors, because you have to get player and coach buy in from quants who never played professional ball.

In 5-10 years every player will be like "give me the data, tell me what to do" but now it takes an organization rebuild from the ground up.

 

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