David Hess optioned (recalled)

[eddie83]

2 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

I think that’s a big problem for our team and seeing if any of these guys can have success. Ideally we’d even have the “Buck years” rotation and try and fill innings 5-9 with the pen. With guys in set roles. We’re literally a ST team.

Sometimes I sympathize with these guys and think “oh they’d do better in set roles”, but damn, just go out there and get outs. I think they by now they know what are he deal is. Means stepped up and took advantage of it. Who else has?  Fry for a bit?  At some point it’s these guys we have just have a lack of talent. 

Could David Hess be good in the “Castro role” from under Buck?  Maybe. But I’m pretty sure Fry, Bleier, and Scott, would be good as LOOGYs.

No excuses. The players aren’t getting “overexposed” or “need a role”. They just aren’t getting outs. They get outs in ST games just fine and they are pitched the same way. Now it’s just tougher talent. End rant. 

Britton, Hunter and Matusz were all failed starters here who were solid to elite bullpen pieces. 

The odds are against 1st round draft picks from making an impact so I am certainly not expecting that from Hess. That said give him a shot and see what he can do. 

The players are exposed. If Paul Fry was here say from 12-16 and was our last option instead of being one of our top ones it helps all involved. 

We clearly lack talent and players are not being used in roles where they could potentially have the most success.  

[thezeroes]

1 minute ago, eddie83 said:

We clearly lack talent and players are not being used in roles where they could potentially have the most success.  

Pitchers ar supposed to throw strikes and get outs not walk people and give up hits.  That is their roles as pitchers.  When/where they are used, its is still their responsibility to throw strikes and get outs.

[eddie83]

1 minute ago, thezeroes said:

Pitchers ar supposed to throw strikes and get outs not walk people and give up hits.  That is their roles as pitchers.  When/where they are used, its is still their responsibility to throw strikes and get outs.

I get that. I am referring to using players out of necessity in spots that on a good team they would not be used that way. Ryan Webb was not used in high leverage spots in 2014 as much as he would be say on a team like this one. 

 

[thezeroes]

With any pitcher, how would you find out if they can pitch in High Leverage or Low leverage without doing so?  The Orioles have had the least amount of High Leverage plate appearances against of any team in the AL.  If they can not hold their water in Baltimore than doubtful they can hold it anywhere else.

I understand that this year plenty of players are being thrown directly into the fire but that will either make them better or show what they need to work on to make it in the show.

[Moose Milligan]

9 hours ago, eddie83 said:

Let’s see him in a bullpen role. He may be solid. Big difference being a starter. 

I like you, you're a good poster.  I know we've had some spats on here before but I think everyone bickers back and forth on here at some point or another, especially if you post damn near every day.  

So don't take this the wrong way.

But if I hear someone else offer the idea for putting someone in the bullpen, I will have a stroke.  

It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of trying, this team should be trying everything.  And if they did, I wouldn't really care.

But it's the idea that it's a magic cure all.  It's worked for some, certainly hasn't worked for others.  IMO, it doesn't do anything to fix the problem, the problem being that Hess has middling stuff.  You'll get middling stuff from him in the first inning, you'll get middling stuff from him out of the bullpen later in the game. 

Can someone tell me what Hess does well, specifically?  Is there a blazing fastball with ridiculous movement? Is there a Means-like change up?  Is there a hammer curveball?  Is there ANY offering that a major league hitter has to be fearful of?  

I've said it before, I'll say it again.  Hess, Yefry, Ynoa, Rogers, Yac...they're all the same.  They might throw with different hands, they might have a few different mph in fastball velocity.  But their stuff is overall inseparable.  Not one of these guys has an out pitch, not one of these guys has tremendous movement on their fastball, not one of these guys has impeccable command, not one of these guys can be distinguished from the other when it comes to what they bring to the mound.  Not one of these guys does any one thing exceptionally well.

And I get it, every organization has guys like these.  It's just that the Orioles seem to have more than most at this point in time.  But I can't get behind thinking that any one of them is a future piece for us in the bullpen or in the rotation.

 

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, Moose Milligan said:

I like you, you're a good poster.  I know we've had some spats on here before but I think everyone bickers back and forth on here at some point or another, especially if you post damn near every day.  

So don't take this the wrong way.

But if I hear someone else offer the idea for putting someone in the bullpen, I will have a stroke.  

 

 

I don't think Richie Martin can hack it as a position player but he has a really good arm.  Maybe they can pull a Givens and put him in the bullpen?

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think Richie Martin can hack it as a position player but he has a really good arm.  Maybe they can pull a Givens and put him in the bullpen?

Fine by me.

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

I like you, you're a good poster.  I know we've had some spats on here before but I think everyone bickers back and forth on here at some point or another, especially if you post damn near every day.  

So don't take this the wrong way.

But if I hear someone else offer the idea for putting someone in the bullpen, I will have a stroke.  

It's not that I'm opposed to the idea of trying, this team should be trying everything.  And if they did, I wouldn't really care.

But it's the idea that it's a magic cure all.  It's worked for some, certainly hasn't worked for others.  IMO, it doesn't do anything to fix the problem, the problem being that Hess has middling stuff.  You'll get middling stuff from him in the first inning, you'll get middling stuff from him out of the bullpen later in the game. 

Can someone tell me what Hess does well, specifically?  Is there a blazing fastball with ridiculous movement? Is there a Means-like change up?  Is there a hammer curveball?  Is there ANY offering that a major league hitter has to be fearful of?  

I've said it before, I'll say it again.  Hess, Yefry, Ynoa, Rogers, Yac...they're all the same.  They might throw with different hands, they might have a few different mph in fastball velocity.  But their stuff is overall inseparable.  Not one of these guys has an out pitch, not one of these guys has tremendous movement on their fastball, not one of these guys has impeccable command, not one of these guys can be distinguished from the other when it comes to what they bring to the mound.  Not one of these guys does any one thing exceptionally well.

And I get it, every organization has guys like these.  It's just that the Orioles seem to have more than most at this point in time.  But I can't get behind thinking that any one of them is a future piece for us in the bullpen or in the rotation.

 

I don’t take it the wrong way at all. 

The odds any of these guys pan out are slim. I don’t have high hopes  

With Hess, all along his best chance was the pen. In a good organization he would not have been a starter. Have to see if his stuff plays up in the pen and then move on to the next candidate if it doesn’t.  

[accinfo]

1 hour ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think Richie Martin can hack it as a position player but he has a really good arm.  Maybe they can pull a Givens and put him in the bullpen?

Richie Martin most likely won't hit enough to be a regular player in the ML but he can field.  They really don't have many options in the middle infield. He will stay on the roster this year and be at AAA next year and he will be depth.  I don't have a real problem with that at this point. 

[Enjoy Terror]

8 hours ago, thezeroes said:

Pitchers ar supposed to throw strikes and get outs not walk people and give up hits.  That is their roles as pitchers.  When/where they are used, its is still their responsibility to throw strikes and get outs.

It’s not as easy as simply “get outs”. Throwing gas for an inning and throwing deceptively for 6+ are entirely different beasts and most pitchers can do one or neither. The best can throw gas for 6+. We don’t have many (or any) of those.

Throwing gas for an inning asks less of a pitcher that can’t hack it as a starter. When we talk about “roles”, Hess might have better success at getting those outs when dialing it up in relief rathe than struggling to conserve through a start. 

He also may just not be MLB-worthy at either, and certainly a lot of pitchers find this out about themselves in the minors.