Whither Buck ?

[Aglets]

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/buck-showalter-leaked-candidate-not-125808189.html

Really interesting story here about how there is mutual interest between Buck and the Phillies, despite Kapler (currently) having a contract for 2020.

[Tony-OH]

Guys, when it's slow, we let more stuff stay in the Orioles section. Ex-Orioles news is fine to talk about here during this time of the year. Not much else to discuss until we start putting out the prospect list stuff.

[TonySoprano]

1 hour ago, Aglets said:

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/buck-showalter-leaked-candidate-not-125808189.html

Really interesting story here about how there is mutual interest between Buck and the Phillies, despite Kapler (currently) having a contract for 2020.

They link to an article in The Athletic, which makes some familiar statements about Buck "TTP" Showalter.
 

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In Kapler, the Phillies have someone who champions the front office’s views and operates a clubhouse with relaxed rules. Showalter, or someone like him, would command more power and might apply greater scrutiny to some recommendations from the club’s analytics arm. Players would have to adjust to a more structured environment imposed by Showalter.

Showalter is familiar with the Phillies front office. Team president Andy MacPhail hired Showalter in Baltimore. Phillies general manager Matt Klentak and his trusted assistant general manager, Ned Rice, both worked with Showalter in Baltimore as lower-level baseball operations employees. Those connections are important, but not an assured precursor to another marriage. Both sides know what worked before and what did not; the Orioles, during Showalter’s time, were not a team that embraced data as the Phillies now do.

 

[theocean]

5 hours ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Buck was the right behind Maddon with all the IF shifting. He also pretty much shaped how bullpens are used right now. We made the playoffs because incredible performances from Britton, O’day, Brach, Matusz, Ayala, Strop, Hart, Givens, etc....Even Gausman. 

We were forced into a formula of homers and exceptional bullpen performances. As soon as the bullpen performances stopped we collapsed big time. Except for 2014, we were pretty much a band aid team that was playing wayyyyy over are heads. Buck gets a lot of credit for that. 

Everyone is mad about the WC game. But all Britton was going to do was extend the game for us by 1-2 Innings at most.  Britton was lights out in 2016 but kinda choked in the 2014 playoffs. Our hitters weren’t doing anything that game. We weren’t having good ABs or even hitting balls hard. 

I agree. Everyone acts so doom-and-gloom about the DD-Buck era. They were a really good team and had a ton of success.

Most of the issues seem like they came from Peter Angelos - no international signings, signing Chris Davis, letting a weird power structure exist, different levels of the farm system doing different things, etc. 

[Redskins Rick]

4 minutes ago, theocean said:

I agree. Everyone acts so doom-and-gloom about the DD-Buck era. They were a really good team and had a ton of success.

Most of the issues seem like they came from Peter Angelos - no international signings, signing Chris Davis, letting a weird power structure exist, different levels of the farm system doing different things, etc. 

it was fun while it lasted, and very nice to taste winning baseball after 14 years of nightmare run organization/team.

[OsFanSinceThe80s]

1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

Guys, when it's slow, we let more stuff stay in the Orioles section. Ex-Orioles news is fine to talk about here during this time of the year. Not much else to discuss until we start putting out the prospect list stuff.

And it's still two months until the Rule 5 draft.

[Sammy Seagull]

What team wouldn't want Buck to manage? Name one.

[Natty]

3 minutes ago, Sammy Seagull said:

What team wouldn't want Buck to manage? Name one.

Orioles.

[Aglets]

Astros.

[Can_of_corn]

2 hours ago, Sammy Seagull said:

What team wouldn't want Buck to manage? Name one.

I thought this said what team wouldn't Buck want to manage.

 

Any team highly invested in analytics wouldn't want Buck, so most teams.

[Redskins Rick]

I know most of the Buck "haters", dont remember the crap that rolled through here before him, with the label of manager on him.

Our team is not unique, there are a lot of managers bouncing around, like retreads, and they have no business managing.

Hell, Buck from far from perfect, but he was good for this team and had a good run.

He runs a clean team and good clubhouse, and if he wants to manage and can land somewhere, I wish him well, unless he is playing the Birds.

 

[TonySoprano]

Kapler fired.  Buck to the Phillies?

[Redskins Rick]

8 minutes ago, TonySoprano said:

Kapler fired.  Buck to the Phillies?

 

 

[weams]

 

[Redskins Rick]

7 minutes ago, weams said:

 

But, they have Harper to build a team around.