MLB makes new proposal- Union demands start date and terms by Monday

[weams]

 

[Redskins Rick]

Thats it folks, scratch 2020 season right off the books.

[weams]

8 minutes ago, Redskins Rick said:

Thats it folks, scratch 2020 season right off the books.

 

[Redskins Rick]

1 minute ago, weams said:

 

Not wanting to be a debbie downer, but I have no warm fuzzies that they find a compromise.

[joelala]

I’ll have a hard time justifying spending any time, let alone money, on the sport if they can’t reach an agreement on a season. It would be a travesty and a death sentence for MLB as we know it. No reason to assign any blame either, it doesn’t matter. Myself and countless other fans will be lost. Will I go so far as to say I’ll be lost forever? No I love the sport too much, but boy is it broken right now. 

[atomic]

43 minutes ago, joelala said:

I’ll have a hard time justifying spending any time, let alone money, on the sport if they can’t reach an agreement on a season. It would be a travesty and a death sentence for MLB as we know it. No reason to assign any blame either, it doesn’t matter. Myself and countless other fans will be lost. Will I go so far as to say I’ll be lost forever? No I love the sport too much, but boy is it broken right now. 

There should be plenty of other sports to watch this summer.  

[waroriole]

1 hour ago, joelala said:

I’ll have a hard time justifying spending any time, let alone money, on the sport if they can’t reach an agreement on a season. It would be a travesty and a death sentence for MLB as we know it. No reason to assign any blame either, it doesn’t matter. Myself and countless other fans will be lost. Will I go so far as to say I’ll be lost forever? No I love the sport too much, but boy is it broken right now. 

Yeah I’ll pretty much be done if there’s no season. I’ll check in occasionally but between this and the “three true outcomes” style of play I’m not very interested in MLB. 
 

On the bright side, NBA got their act together and will be doing it right. 

[weams]

 

[billhatf]

Play whatever length season MLB wants using minor league players.  Ownership are the employers, players are the employees.  Baseball's salary structure is already way too expensive ... and it's going to take a couple of years to get butts back in the seats.  There is no Ripken streak to rally around this time.

[joelala]

2 hours ago, atomic said:

There should be plenty of other sports to watch this summer.  

Good. 

[UpstateNYfan]

Sports just exposed itself as insignificant group of people (population wise), making huge amounts of $$$, (both owners and players), that can't come together to at least give the public a bit of relief from all the all that plagues this country at this time. Shame on these selfish, ego-maniacs...F them all. Bring on curling...losers buy pints.

[GuidoSarducci]

6 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:

Thats it folks, scratch 2020 season right off the books.

Still a two to three weeks away from that, but they'll need something by the end of June at the very latest.   

This is probably hardline negotiation tactic.   

But the owners are not going to want to play a season if they can't make money. 

In 2015 tickets and concessions accounts for about 37% of revenue for a typical MLB team according to http://camdendepot.blogspot.com/2016/01/where-mlb-receives-its-revenue.html  They play with no fans and that revenue is now 0%, they will only have TV money.  Maybe players owners split the difference - players take a 15% paycut for this season only,  and also prorated prorated over 82 games, contigent on  fans not being allowed back into the stadium.  Effectively a  57.5% paycut.   If ballparks are allowed to reopen, they get that 15% back. 

Edited June 4, 2020 by GuidoSarducci

[InsideCoroner]

4 hours ago, atomic said:

There should be plenty of other sports to watch this summer.  

I wish I liked other sports the same way I love baseball. But I don’t. November through February are barren months for me as a fan. 

[forphase1]

37 minutes ago, InsideCoroner said:

I wish I liked other sports the same way I love baseball. But I don’t. November through February are barren months for me as a fan. 

I'm the same.   I only care about MLB and a very little about college football.  The rest could shut down forever and wouldn't phase me a bit.

[Moose Milligan]

I'll be back because...well, I love baseball.  I love the Orioles.  I really can't imagine MLB being played and not paying attention on some dumb principle that I have against the players and the owners because they're both spoiled assholes.  You can't get mad at water for being wet.  

That said...

God #@$%ING DAMMIT.  @#%& every last one of them.  MLB just...never gets it right.  The most painful thing in all of this is that they had a chance to lead.  They had a chance to be the first pro sports league to get it together this summer, to come up with a plan to get back to playing and be the first ones on stage Nascar doesn't count, you can't prove me wrong with NO OTHER COMPETITION.  MLB, the sport with the oldest, fart-knockingist fanbase.  MLB, the sport that always seems to lag behind other sports in...just about everything.  MLB, the sport with the dumbest marketing where they try SO HARD TO BE COOL AND RELEVANT.  They had such a prime opportunity to be front stage and center.  No NBA, no NFL and no NHL.  They had an opportunity to be leaders, to show the other leagues how it's done and the opportunity for starved sports fan to see what a great game it can be.  THEY HAD A CHANCE TO HAVE A COMPLETELY CAPTIVE AUDIENCE.

And they blew it.  

The NBA made it back first, which is not surprising.  In the NBA, you get players that make a metric $%#*ton of money and are also hyper aware and concerned with defining their legacy.  LeBron James is chomping at the bit to get back on the court because he knows this might be the best/last time he can contend for a title and if he wins it, it'd add to his legacy.  You get a guy like Giannis who is obsessed with knocking him off. 

Meanwhile, in the MLB you get guys like Snell and Harper who are sitting around bitching about money.  You get the feeling that if someone told Harper this year he would bat .400 but would have to play for free to do it, he wouldn't think twice about sitting out instead of doing something that hasn't been done since 1941 and might not ever happen again.  If someone told Snell he could break Bob Gibson's ERA record for a season or strike out 384 batters this year but not make any money doing so, he'd flip you the bird and sit around and play video games.  World Series?  Forget it, they would just view it as extra work.  I think LeBron would play for free the rest of this summer if he thought he had a chance at another title.

I'm not sure where the NHL is in regards to restarting their season because it's...the NHL.  But it wouldn't surprise me if they got their act together and figured out a way to finish, it certainly looks like they're trying harder.

And you know the NFL is going to play come hell or high water.  The NFL will not miss a week.  They will start on time.  Because they all know there's too much on the line and that by the end of this summer that people will look to their league as something that can bring people together and help them heal.  People will go ballistic if the NFL start date gets pushed back or if games are missed.  But baseball not happening is seemingly being met with apathy from the general sports fanbase.  

@#$% you, MLB.  I'm not saying @#$% you forever, but for right now in this very moment, @#$% you.  @#$% you for being so far behind in everything.  @#$% you for being the last sport to make a statement on George Floyd, only doing so because people noticed you didn't and they called you out on it.  @#$% you players, @#$% you owners, @#$% you all.  @#$% you for not seizing a golden opportunity when you had one because you can't see past your stupid @#$%ing paychecks and your dumbass collective bargaining agreement.  @#$% you for not being able to put your differences aside to be able to play in a time where your fellow countrymen would love nothing more than to watch a game and forget about a pandemic and civil unrest.  @#$% you for not being there when we actually needed you.