MLB Lockout Thread

[Sports Guy]

There is a potential for a global war…would MLB really cancel games and maybe the season with that hanging over their heads?

Talk about some bad PR.  

[waroriole]

11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

We’ve tried nothing, and we’re all out of ideas. 

[Can_of_corn]

14 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

 

Good thing they aren't apart on ideas, just numbers.

[Sports Guy]

6 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Good thing they aren't apart on ideas, just numbers.

I would argue that’s worse..since money and greed is what these are always about.

[waroriole]

1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

I would argue that’s worse..since money and greed is what these are always about.

Numbers can always be compromised. If there’s philosophical differences, that’s the real problem. 

[Sports Guy]

24 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Numbers can always be compromised. If there’s philosophical differences, that’s the real problem. 

Numbers can absolutely be compromised…unless you don’t Want to and are extremely far apart.  
 

Money is what is driving this.  If you are ways apart money wise, that’s as bad, if not worse.

And btw, this is about philosophical differences.  The players don’t feel they are being valued enough.  They don’t feel the owners care enough.  

[waroriole]

17 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Numbers can absolutely be compromised…unless you don’t Want to and are extremely far apart.  
 

Money is what is driving this.  If you are ways apart money wise, that’s as bad, if not worse.

And btw, this is about philosophical differences.  The players don’t feel they are being valued enough.  They don’t feel the owners care enough.  

Not being valued enough sounds like money to me.

[Can_of_corn]

8 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Not being valued enough sounds like money to me.

Yep, if I say I don't feel valued at work I don't mean I want them to tell me how valued I am.

Show me every other Friday how much you care.

[Too Tall]

I wonder if there is another elephant in the room as well. And, it involves money too. Isn't there a pending law suit brought by the union relative to the 2020 season? Haven't heard much lately but if so, that has to cloud negotiations and the owner's attitude too. I just feel the owners are going to tough this out regardless of any negative PR.  And right now - given all the givens - I look forward to a minor league season and the rest can take a flying s---- into a rolling donut.

[jabba72]

35 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Numbers can absolutely be compromised…unless you don’t Want to and are extremely far apart.  
 

Money is what is driving this.  If you are ways apart money wise, that’s as bad, if not worse.

And btw, this is about philosophical differences.  The players don’t feel they are being valued enough.  They don’t feel the owners care enough.  

They're working every angle they can to try and get around the fact that many if not most are no longer productive past their age 30 season. 

 

[Sports Guy]

43 minutes ago, waroriole said:

Not being valued enough sounds like money to me.

It is..but it’s also a philosophical difference but sure, it’s more about money.   

This situation is as bad as it gets.

There are obviously philosophical differences too though.

[Sports Guy]

27 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

They're working every angle they can to try and get around the fact that many if not most are no longer productive past their age 30 season. 

 

It’s ironic.  They all buy into analytics to make more money (ie, 3 outcome, etc…) but yet it’s analytics that they are truly fighting against.

[Can_of_corn]

3 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

It is..but it’s also a philosophical difference but sure, it’s more about money.   

This situation is as bad as it gets.

There are obviously philosophical differences too though.

It's not as bad as '94.

[Moshagge3]

31 minutes ago, jabba72 said:

They're working every angle they can to try and get around the fact that many if not most are no longer productive past their age 30 season. 

 

That sounds like an argument in favor of getting more money to the young guys: higher minimum salary, more money in arb pool, getting to FA quicker. All things the players want and the owners oppose. Who is trying to "get around" this fact exactly?

[Sports Guy]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It's not as bad as '94.

We’ll see.  
 

One side has to totally pull a 180 in the next few days and if they don’t, 94 becomes a real possibility.