Keep Mancini Thread

[TommyPickles]

1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

Has anyone suggested that you trade Mancini for nothing? 

For what its worth, MLBTradeRumors said they don't think the O's would get a Top 100 prospect for Trey:

"Still, as an impending free agent with defensive limitations, he won’t bring back an eye-popping return. Baltimore almost certainly wouldn’t recoup a prospect generally regarded as a top 100 caliber player in a deal. In all likelihood, they’d land a couple of players most evaluators view as middle-tier prospects from another organization."

I think there is an argument to be made for keeping Trey based on the intangible benefits he'll have on this young team throughout the rest of the season (confidence, experience, etc.). The argument doesn't need to be about the fans. There is a baseball case for hanging on to Trey.

(There is, of course, also a baseball case for trading him.)

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

You don't actually know what indie music is do you?

It's all Nickleback and Imagine Dragons where you live eh?

No man, it's all Hendrix, Mick Taylor era-ish Stones, Zeppelin, blues, jazz, Metallica and Van Halen (not Van Hagar).  

I know what indie music is.  And it's most often terrible.  

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Probably not? But that's what we're discussing.  Do we trade Mancini if something interesting is offered?  No, we're not going to get a MLB #16 prospect.  But what if they're offered someone more along the lines of Vavra or Rom or something?

Yeah, I'll pass on RomVavra.  

[NelsonCruuuuuz]

1 minute ago, TommyPickles said:

For what its worth, MLBTradeRumors said they don't think the O's would get a Top 100 prospect for Trey:

"Still, as an impending free agent with defensive limitations, he won’t bring back an eye-popping return. Baltimore almost certainly wouldn’t recoup a prospect generally regarded as a top 100 caliber player in a deal. In all likelihood, they’d land a couple of players most evaluators view as middle-tier prospects from another organization."

I think there is an argument to be made for keeping Trey based on the intangible benefits he'll have on this young team throughout the rest of the season (confidence, experience, etc.). The argument doesn't need to be about the fans. There is a baseball case for hanging on to Trey.

Correct. You just summarized it.. The return would not be great and his intangibles far exceed the salary relief/another prospect. Now, if you could get a comp pick, then you do it but not happening. 

[DirtyBird]

Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

Yes. Rutschman could get more PAs at DH if not for the Mountcastle/Mancini combination that can't play anywhere but 1B/DH. Sure, trading Santander would open up a spot for Stowers.

But the main point is that there's never a true shortage of talent at that end of the defensive spectrum.  It's almost trivial to come up with a player who can hit but can't really field.

Ideally Rutschman will be catching about 135 games per season. So you are talking about 10-15 games where he would potentially DH.

Mancini would not be blocking Rutschman.

[DrungoHazewood]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

No man, it's all Hendrix, Mick Taylor era-ish Stones, Zeppelin, blues, jazz, Metallica and Van Halen (not Van Hagar).  

I know what indie music is.  And it's most often terrible.  

You got old fast. You're like 10 years younger than me and you're hanging with dudes who were driving to high school in a '79 conversion van with a motorcycle and unicorn airbrushed on the side.

[Moose Milligan]

Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

You got old fast. You're like 10 years younger than me and you're hanging with dudes who were driving to high school in a '79 conversion van with a motorcycle and unicorn airbrushed on the side.

Damn right I am.  Speaking of the '79 conversion van and the unicorn on the side, I listened to some Dio the other day.  Fantastic.  

[DrungoHazewood]

2 minutes ago, DirtyBird said:

Ideally Rutschman will be catching about 135 games per season. So you are talking about 10-15 games where he would potentially DH.

Mancini would not be blocking Rutschman.

Ideally is the key word.  Since 2012 there have been a total of 11 player-seasons where a catcher caught 135+ games.  About one a year out of 30 teams.  Even in the old days Johnny Bench had more years where he caught < 135 than more.

Nevertheless, the most likely case is that Mancini declines and is injured more as he ages.  So there will be significant chunks where he's not blocking anyone.

[Can_of_corn]

9 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

No man, it's all Hendrix, Mick Taylor era-ish Stones, Zeppelin, blues, jazz, Metallica and Van Halen (not Van Hagar).  

I know what indie music is.  And it's most often terrible.  

I don't think anyone with that type of Boomer taste in music has any real idea of what Indy music is.

[pdiddy]

5 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Damn right I am.  Speaking of the '79 conversion van and the unicorn on the side, I listened to some Dio the other day.  Fantastic.  

Holy Diver is >

[Frobby]

4 minutes ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Correct. You just summarized it.. The return would not be great and his intangibles far exceed the salary relief/another prospect. Now, if you could get a comp pick, then you do it but not happening. 

I think Mancini might bring back a decent return.  Maybe not a top 100 prospect, but 2-3 guys who have some potential to be major league contributors.  He’s having a pretty good year and there are teams who could use a bat.   I definitely would not trade him for “a warm body and salary relief.”   There has to be someone coming back with reasonable potential to help a future team.   

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't think anyone with that type of Boomer taste in music has any real idea of what Indy music is.

Live look in at me not caring:

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I think Mancini might bring back a decent return.  Maybe not a top 100 prospect, but 2-3 guys who have some potential to be major league contributors.  He’s having a pretty good year and there are teams who could use a bat.   I definitely would not trade him for “a warm body and salary relief.”   There has to be someone coming back with reasonable potential to help a future team.   

I think it's pretty aggressive to get three guys back for a Mancini rental.  I mean, we got 5 for Machado and none of them turned out to be very good save for Kremer who looks like he could be turning it around.  Diaz might have been something if not for being constantly injured.

Per what Drungo said, I think you'd get two guys back, like a Vavra and a Rom type.  Guys who might make the majors but I don't think anyone essential to a winning team.  

But we'll see when the trade comes.  I'd love to be wrong.  

 

 

[Frobby]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I think it's pretty aggressive to get three guys back for a Mancini rental.  I mean, we got 5 for Machado and none of them turned out to be very good save for Kremer who looks like he could be turning it around.  Diaz might have been something if not for being constantly injured.

Per what Drungo said, I think you'd get two guys back, like a Vavra and a Rom type.  Guys who might make the majors but I don't think anyone essential to a winning team.  

But we'll see when the trade comes.  I'd love to be wrong.  

 

 

Yeah, I said 2-3 guys but two is more likely.   Let’s say it’s the equivalent of Drew Rom and Michael Deson.  Do you pull the trigger there?  I think it depends on where we are in 17-18 days.  

[Can_of_corn]

7 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Live look in at me not caring:

Did you really take a break from listening to your Gary Cherone era Van Halen to find that?

I'm touched.