Marlins Open to Trading from Pitching Surplus

[OriolesMagic83]

2 hours ago, Aristotelian said:

I'd need to know a lot more about the medicals on Chisolm. I would set him off to the side. I'd be interested in Lopez for Cowser/Haskin or Westburg/Haskin. Not sure about Cowser/Westburg. 

What would Austin Hays, Ryan Mountcastle, and Westburg get me? 

Laughter?

[Mavericksouth]

14 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

Laughter?

LOL.  I mean it's not terrible from the marlins perspective.  I'd prefer cowser and Westburg though.  I'd give Lopez and maybe a Braxton Garrett for that. Two mlb starting pitchers for two talented but unproven prospects at the big league level. Seems fair to me. 

[orioles22]

Not Cowser. He might be our third guy behind Adley and Gunnar.

[OriolesMagic83]

25 minutes ago, orioles22 said:

Not Cowser. He might be our third guy behind Adley and Gunnar.

I believe the O's would trade DL Hall before they trade Cowser.  There is a very high probability that Hall will join the thousands of other prospects with great arms who couldn't make it in the majors.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, OriolesMagic83 said:

I believe the O's would trade DL Hall before they trade Cowser.  There is a very high probability that Hall will join the thousands of other prospects with great arms who couldn't make it in the majors.

Very high?

Like 92%?

[OriolesMagic83]

8 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Very high?

Like 92%?

I have no idea what the percentage is, but the way that Hall's control has been totally unreliable and completely absent at times, that might be a good estimate of his chance of being no more than just a bullpen arm.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I have no idea what the percentage is, but the way that Hall's control has been totally unreliable and completely absent at times, that might be a good estimate of his chance of being no more than just a bullpen arm.

Well him being a bullpen arm wouldn't mean he "couldn't make it in the majors".  Would you say Tate "couldn't make it in the majors"?

I think folks are being way too dismissive of Hall.

[Mavericksouth]

2 minutes ago, OriolesMagic83 said:

I have no idea what the percentage is, but the way that Hall's control has been totally unreliable and completely absent at times, that might be a good estimate of his chance of being no more than just a bullpen arm.

From an outsider's perspective, I agree. I get he is a lefty that throws 95, but other than that, I don't know why you guys are so high on him, or his prospect ranking. I think he tremendously overrated. I do like Rodriguez though.

[OriolesMagic83]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

Well him being a bullpen arm wouldn't mean he "couldn't make it in the majors".  Would you say Tate "couldn't make it in the majors"?

I think folks are being way too dismissive of Hall.

By just another bullpen arm, I mean someone like Krehbiel (sp?) or Baker.  A middle reliever type.  92% or some slightly lower percentage would include total failure to find a role in the majors or just be another middle reliever.  I'm sure that Elias is aware that Hall has a much higher chance of failure than being a shutdown closer or TOR starter.  He will include Hall in a trade if it's for a player he wants. 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Mavericksouth said:

From an outsider's perspective, I agree. I get he is a lefty that throws 95, but other than that, I don't know why you guys are so high on him, or his prospect ranking. I think he tremendously overrated. I do like Rodriguez though.

Have you looked at his raw stuff?  His K rate?  His athleticism?  His prospect ranking (for those into that)?

He's got four pitches that flash plus.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, OriolesMagic83 said:

By just another bullpen arm, I mean someone like Krehbiel (sp?) or Baker.  A middle reliever type.  92% or some slightly lower percentage would include total failure to find a role in the majors or just be another middle reliever.  I'm sure that Elias is aware that Hall has a much higher chance of failure than being a shutdown closer or TOR starter.  He will include Hall in a trade if it's for a player he wants. 

I'm glad you can mind read Elias.

For the record I think Elias would trade anyone if it is for a player he wants.

Why wouldn't he?

[OriolesMagic83]

Just now, Can_of_corn said:

I'm glad you can mind read Elias.

For the record I think Elias would trade anyone if it is for a player he wants.

Why wouldn't he?

I don't think it requires mind reading.  It's obvious that Elias is not attached to players (no fan favorite sacred cows). 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, OriolesMagic83 said:

I don't think it requires mind reading.  It's obvious that Elias is not attached to players (no fan favorite sacred cows). 

So why bother specifying Hall?

[OriolesMagic83]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

So why bother specifying Hall?

I don't feel like endlessly arguing about nothing.  Hall is a top pitching prospect with a high risk of failure.  Elias should be open to trading him.  In the past, O's GMs have held onto pitching prospects until there is no doubt they can make it in the majors and they have lost any prospect status.

Maybe you should do something productive and get back to rowing.

[Mavericksouth]

4 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Have you looked at his raw stuff?  His K rate?  His athleticism?  His prospect ranking (for those into that)?

He's got four pitches that flash plus.

That's cool. I'm just saying as a fan of another team that has a plethora of arms, Hall wouldn't be in our top 10 of pitchers in our organization. I think he could turn into a nice lefty specialist/Bullpen guy. Needs to get proper development with the control issues he has. He kind of reminds me of what Braxton Garrett was before this year. Hall could turn into a good number four, but he is not going to be an Ace, imo.