Very, very way too early thoughts

[CharmCityHokie]

29 minutes ago, tntoriole said:

System my rear.  Cheap is in Angelos family DNA.   If you don’t have the dough, then they should be forced to sell to someone that does. 

It's pretty frustrating, he (Adley) is the face of the franchise at this point, the marketability of that is something the Yankees saw with Judge and even the Angels (who are notoriously erratic when it comes to payroll) saw with Trout. There is value to having a guy like Adley on the Orioles for 10+ years that extends beyond the foul lines. It's painful to see the owner of the team (for all intents and purposes) basically cop out on that and pass it off on his employees. In business there is delegating, and then there is passing the buck, and this is definitely the latter.

[24fps]

1 hour ago, Aristotelian said:

I didn't see the game. What did Vavra do?

A ball was hit into the LF corner - not that hard - and as he went over to get it, it got past him in such a way that made it clear that he had no business being out there.  At least to my eye.

[justD]

3 hours ago, Bemorewins said:

There is no way anyone competent with a good, young, cheap, overachieving team would say, "Ay well, just run it back. No need for improvements". Unless winning baseball games and ultimately pennants and championships were not really that much of a priority.

They’re not a priority!  Look at every interview he does, his priority is musical events and creating an entertainment center out of Camden Yards (inclusive of OPACY and M&T).  That’s his priority.  He honestly does not care about the Orioles winning games or postseason or anything about the team.  He wants to create a concert venue and bring that revenue into the city of Baltimore, he really thinks that’s the best use of any investment funds, not a baseball team. 

[Gurgi]

5 minutes ago, justD said:

They’re not a priority!  Look at every interview he does, his priority is musical events and creating an entertainment center out of Camden Yards (inclusive of OPACY and M&T).  That’s his priority.  He honestly does not care about the Orioles winning games or postseason or anything about the team.  He wants to create a concert venue and bring that revenue into the city of Baltimore, he really thinks that’s the best use of any investment funds, not a baseball team. 

John Angelos would be smarter by just not talking to the media at all.  He is horrible at it.  He makes himself look bad everytime he opens his mouth.   

[RZNJ]

33 minutes ago, 24fps said:

A ball was hit into the LF corner - not that hard - and as he went over to get it, it got past him in such a way that made it clear that he had no business being out there.  At least to my eye.

I believe he tried to barehand the ball in order to make a quicker play on the runner going for the double.  It looked sloppy but I think it was because he thought that was his only chance.  I could be wrong.   The pop fly that dropped in appeared to be Henderson ‘s fault.

[24fps]

59 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I believe he tried to barehand the ball in order to make a quicker play on the runner going for the double.  It looked sloppy but I think it was because he thought that was his only chance.  I could be wrong.   The pop fly that dropped in appeared to be Henderson ‘s fault.

In my first post in this thread I suggested that Hyde stop screwing around with seemingly unlimited position flexibility and by that I meant that it's time for the core members of the team to settle into their primary position.  Spring training is over.  Convention says that the outfielder has control of a situation like the pop fly that dropped, yet Henderson called long before Vavra did and was planted and waiting before having to duck out of the way.  Gunnar got the error, but if we have to find fault then let's include Hyde in the conversation, because I have to believe that players who play their positions most every day already have their communication worked out a lot better than what we saw on this play.

[RZNJ]

1 minute ago, 24fps said:

In my first post in this thread I suggested that Hyde stop screwing around with seemingly unlimited position flexibility and by that I meant that it's time for the core members of the team to settle into their primary position.  Spring training is over.  Convention says that the outfielder has control of a situation like the pop fly that dropped, yet Henderson called long before Vavra did and was planted and waiting before having to duck out of the way.  Gunnar got the error, but if we have to find fault then let's include Hyde in the conversation, because I have to believe that players who play their positions most every day already have their communication worked out a lot better than what we saw on this play.

I disagree.  Pop up’s between infielders and outfielders is simple and fundamental.  The infielder always gives way to the outfielder if he hears the outfielder calling for it.  Maybe Gunnar didn’t hear him until the last second.  Either way Gunnar should have ether caught the ball or cleared out.  He did neither.  In fact, the ball tipped his glove which prevented Vavra from catching it.   Gunnar has enough experience at SS to know this.  

[oriole]

6 hours ago, Moshagge3 said:

Well, as long as we're talking "way too early," I was updating the game thread with the performance of three free agent guys that people had talked about maybe signing to upgrade the pitching.

Ross Stripling vs. Yankees: 5.0 IP 6 H 4 ER 3 HR 2 BB 3 K

Jameson Taillon vs. Brewers: 4.0 IP 7 H 3 ER 0 HR 1 BB 2 K

Chris Bassitt vs. Cardinals: 3.1 IP 10 H 9 ER 4 HR 0 BB 0 K

The most expensive guy made Gibson and Irvin look like Maddux and Smoltz. Taijuan Walker was also available, andhe goes tomorrow against the Yankees, so we'll see how he looks.

I was definitely projecting my idea of worst case scenario. I expect the guys you listed to be better. Im not sure Gibson and Irvin’s performance is coming as much of a surprise to anyone 

[24fps]

19 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

I disagree.  Pop up’s between infielders and outfielders is simple and fundamental.  The infielder always gives way to the outfielder if he hears the outfielder calling for it.  Maybe Gunnar didn’t hear him until the last second.  Either way Gunnar should have ether caught the ball or cleared out.  He did neither.  In fact, the ball tipped his glove which prevented Vavra from catching it.   Gunnar has enough experience at SS to know this.  

I wasn't saying that Vavra didn't have priority, I was saying that he shouldn't have been out there in the first place.  Especially with Hayes in the game and Stowers on the bench, but that's a whole different conversation.  I just rewatched the play several times (around 1:28:00 if you have mlb.tv).  It looked like Gunnar heard Vavra at the very last split second and indeed the ball did tip off the webbing of his glove.  Fine E6, but I question whether focusing on Gunnar's experience addresses the real issue.

BTW I also found Vavra's expression after the play to be really interesting.  Sneering and a couple of pointed comments were loudly made at Gunnar's back.  And the rookie clearly heard them too.   I'll bet Vavra dreams of having one-fifth of Henderson's talent.

[Going Underground]

2 hours ago, justD said:

They’re not a priority!  Look at every interview he does, his priority is musical events and creating an entertainment center out of Camden Yards (inclusive of OPACY and M&T).  That’s his priority.  He honestly does not care about the Orioles winning games or postseason or anything about the team.  He wants to create a concert venue and bring that revenue into the city of Baltimore, he really thinks that’s the best use of any investment funds, not a baseball team. 

I still don't get where John Angelos and the Governor are building this entertainment complex like Truist Park.  One side of Camdrn Yards has the train tracks for the Light Rail and MARC  trains and then the Convention Center. To the north is the hotel. Parking lots and then M & T Bank stadium. I guess you can build where Sliders is going towards the UMMS hospital. But behind M&T is the new Topgolf and soon to be Ostend concert hall (formerly Paramount ) opening this summer. Plus perhaps a hotel and retail and other entertainment venues on land owned by the casino.  Plus the rebuilt CFG Arena ,paid for with private funds that wants to host 150 or so events a year.Plus the Ostend which wants to host 200 events. Not sure if another entertainment area near Canden Yards would be economically feasible. Only so many discretionary dollars to go around. The city is not growing and the suburbs as fast as other cities.

Edited April 3, 2023 by Going Underground

[spleen1015]

9 hours ago, Gurgi said:

John Angelos would be smarter by just not talking to the media at all.  He is horrible at it.  He makes himself look bad everytime he opens his mouth.   

It feels like he wants some attention this year. We haven't heard from him in years and he's been on camera/mic about 5 times in the last few weeks.

[RZNJ]

7 hours ago, 24fps said:

I wasn't saying that Vavra didn't have priority, I was saying that he shouldn't have been out there in the first place.  Especially with Hayes in the game and Stowers on the bench, but that's a whole different conversation.  I just rewatched the play several times (around 1:28:00 if you have mlb.tv).  It looked like Gunnar heard Vavra at the very last split second and indeed the ball did tip off the webbing of his glove.  Fine E6, but I question whether focusing on Gunnar's experience addresses the real issue.

BTW I also found Vavra's expression after the play to be really interesting.  Sneering and a couple of pointed comments were loudly made at Gunnar's back.  And the rookie clearly heard them too.   I'll bet Vavra dreams of having one-fifth of Henderson's talent.

If he clearly heard Vavra’s comments then he also heard Vavra calling for the ball.  Vavra is a scrub.  Henderson is a future star.  Doesn’t matter.  Henderson was in the wrong.

[Moshagge3]

7 hours ago, oriole said:

I was definitely projecting my idea of worst case scenario. I expect the guys you listed to be better. Im not sure Gibson and Irvin’s performance is coming as much of a surprise to anyone 

My point in making the comparison is that if it's too early to draw conclusions about Bassitt and Taillon, it's too early to do the same about Gibson and Irvin.

[Bemorewins]

9 hours ago, justD said:

They’re not a priority!  Look at every interview he does, his priority is musical events and creating an entertainment center out of Camden Yards (inclusive of OPACY and M&T).  That’s his priority.  He honestly does not care about the Orioles winning games or postseason or anything about the team.  He wants to create a concert venue and bring that revenue into the city of Baltimore, he really thinks that’s the best use of any investment funds, not a baseball team. 

I am a resident of the community and have loved the Orioles my whole life...well at least since I was 7/8 y/o...lol 

There is no way I can put myself through another 30 years of torture or however long he owns the team and runs it this way  

This is not the 1970's with 3 major tv stations or the 90's with basic cable and maybe  few premium channels. People have WAY TOO MANY other entertainment options. I watched games from different sports all over the world yesterday from my home. The more the O's act this way, the more interest I lose... And let's not even talk about my kids. Younger generations don't consume sports as we did. And the O's are literally giving them no reason to be interested. At least when Manny and Adam Jones were on the team I could sell them on that (plus the team was kind successful on the field for a period of time).

Now, we have the owner gripping about the expense of a 2nd year player, which to me is an indication that he has no serious plans to retain him longterm. 

If you are Adley and you are listening to this on opening day after a great game, what message does that send to you?

[eddie83]

10 hours ago, justD said:

They’re not a priority!  Look at every interview he does, his priority is musical events and creating an entertainment center out of Camden Yards (inclusive of OPACY and M&T).  That’s his priority.  He honestly does not care about the Orioles winning games or postseason or anything about the team.  He wants to create a concert venue and bring that revenue into the city of Baltimore, he really thinks that’s the best use of any investment funds, not a baseball team. 

 

10 hours ago, Gurgi said:

John Angelos would be smarter by just not talking to the media at all.  He is horrible at it.  He makes himself look bad everytime he opens his mouth.   

 

1 hour ago, spleen1015 said:

It feels like he wants some attention this year. We haven't heard from him in years and he's been on camera/mic about 5 times in the last few weeks.

I’m trying to figure out what he is up to. Every opportunity he talks about downtown. Insults people’s intelligence about long term contracts. Tells media he is going to have them look at the books then says nobody does it. He was the person who brought it up.  
 

This should be a time where there is a ton of excitement and enthusiasm around the team. It’s definitely picked up but he is directly responsible for there not being more. It goes beyond what they spent this off-season. There is still an unnecessary disconnect. 
 

He comes across as someone who enjoys the perks of ownership more than the responsibility that comes with it. Enjoys the spotlight until it gets shined on him.