Very, very way too early thoughts

[Bemorewins]

9 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Sure that may be the simple way to look at it. 
 

Thing is he could be getting positive reviews right now. I know it’s early but the Elias hire looks strong. He accomplished something his father didn’t do in 25 years really. Hire someone and don’t interfere and/or create a dysfunctional environment. The baseball ops are in the best shape they have been in since the 70’s in my opinion.

 

Nobody is even asking him to be like the Padres. I mean there is a massive in between there. Plus other off the field stuff shows he is worried about being as cheap as possible. He inherited the franchise from his father and looks incapable of being a leader. The optics in terms of non baseball aren’t better, if anything they are worse.  

Positive reviews from WHO???

Elias appears to be a great hire! But how long do you think that he is going to stick around for this crap? Who wants to be part of an org where the owner will lie to you and do everything possible to sabotage your success? Which makes you look bad. 

With the type of player development he has produced, he will have other options.

He is already interfering and creating dysfunction. 1) He didn't open up the pursestrings and allow Elias add to the team in a meaningful way (effectively wasting this season in terms of competing). 2) Elias had to backtrack on all of his comments from last Summer when the O's refused to spend (which made him look like a liar and lose credibility). 3) John Angelos' idiotic comments on Opening Day. How do you think that went over with Adley, Gunnar, the players, coaches, front office?

The baseball ops can be as good as they want to be, but with this type of ownership, in the end it won't matter. Other teams have smart people running things too. The advantage for them is, they have invested ownership that offer the support necessary to win. The odds of us winning in spite of ownership are VERY VERY low!

 

[JR Oriole]

2 minutes ago, backwardsk said:

The Braves deals are incredibly team friendly. Acuna already regrets his.  Adley will likely earn 3-4X as much as Harris will.  I’m sure he’s cool with taking things to FA. As a fan, you want to see young stars signed early, sure. But there’s really no reason for Adley to sign long term unless he gets offered sometmore along what the nationals offered Soto.

The future and health are not guaranteed to anyone.  Acuna is a good example, as he seems to get injured quite often. Not sure he was ever fully recovered even when he came back.  I personally would rather get big money as early as possible.  But I understand your take as well.

Soto is actually younger than Adley.  Amazing to think about.  Soto has a career WAR of 23 and he dominated the 2019 postseason.  

[Bemorewins]

15 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Orioles fans:  WE WANT OWNERSHIP WHO IS ACCESSIBLE AND INTERACTS WITH THE MEDIA

John Angelos:  *interacts with the media, has been far more accessible than his father has ever been*

Orioles fans:  NO NOT LIKE THAT 

I just settle for good, competent ownership, that actually cares about competing.

Is that too much to ask? Lol

[eddie83]

9 minutes ago, Bemorewins said:

Positive reviews from WHO???

Elias appears to be a great hire! But how long do you think that he is going to stick around for this crap? Who wants to be part of an org where the owner will lie to you and do everything possible to sabotage your success? Which makes you look bad. 

With the type of player development he has produced, he will have other options.

He is already interfering and creating dysfunction. 1) He didn't open up the pursestrings and allow Elias add to the team in a meaningful way (effectively wasting this season in terms of competing). 2) Elias had to backtrack on all of his comments from last Summer when the O's refused to spend (which made him look like a liar and lose credibility). 3) John Angelos' idiotic comments on Opening Day. How do you think that went over with Adley, Gunnar, the players, coaches, front office?

The baseball ops can be as good as they want to be, but with this type of ownership, in the end it won't matter. Other teams have smart people running things too. The advantage for them is, they have invested ownership that offer the support necessary to win. The odds of us winning in spite of ownership are VERY VERY low!

 

I said he COULD be getting positive reviews. I didn’t say he was. 

[Moshagge3]

24 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Orioles fans:  WE WANT OWNERSHIP WHO IS ACCESSIBLE AND INTERACTS WITH THE MEDIA

John Angelos:  *interacts with the media, has been far more accessible than his father has ever been*

Orioles fans:  NO NOT LIKE THAT 

Is it really "accessible" if it's patently dishonest and limited to certain outlets? I wonder what Dan Connolly thinks about how accessible JA has been.

[eddie83]

17 minutes ago, Going Underground said:

This was from 2017- 2018 time frame. Two places of the land they bought are finished - Topgolf and almost ready-The Ostend  concert  John Angelos just wants to claim credit for things built and future planning as long as he dosen't have to put up any money 

 

 

State land records show the casino’s partnership group is spending millions to buy up properties around the casino in South Baltimore to push a transformation of the gritty industrial area of warehouses and parking lots into a more inviting entertainment district.

 

Others are scouting the neighborhood, too, with the same vision.

—City officials say another group wants to build a high-tech golf driving range in the district.

The goal, ultimately, is to establish a sports and entertainment district that connects the casino through the football stadium and baseball park to the Inner Harbor.

 

Caesars, the Las Vegas-based casino and resort giant, said it hopes to create Baltimore’s “next great entertainment district” to lure Baltimoreans and tourists beyond the stadiums and Inner Harbor, but said it would be premature to discuss specific plans for its new properties.

Acquisitions include an old warehouse on Warner Street between Horseshoe and M&T Bank Stadium for $4.8 million and an office building across the street for $3.2 million. The partnership also has options on two city-owned parking lots on Ostend and Warner streets.

Hotel is still supposed to happen, correct?

[eddie83]

Here is the interview they were hyping during the game yesterday. 
 

https://video.masnsports.com/video/JohnAngeloswithKevinBrown/3758

[Bemorewins]

6 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

I said he COULD be getting positive reviews. I didn’t say he was. 

My question was, from who? If you had to take a run at it and speculate, what would positive reinforcement look like to regarding his behavior?

My honest assessment from a person who loves the team and lives in the community is things are rapidly heading in the wrong direction. Almost all of the goodwill that was built up last year is just about gone. They are not dealing with a an ignorant/uniformed fanbase, who have limited entertainment options, and maximum discretionary dollars to spend.

The economy is terrible right now, inflation is sky high, live event attendance is down almost across the spectrum (post-pandemic). And people have a thing called Google and other things called social media, streaming services. Otherwise stated, it's a more informed fanbase than ever, with more entertainment options that ever. 

You cannot operate in this modern environment as an entertainment organization (which is what a baseball team is at the end of the day) and still succeed.

I would almost be willing to bet, that the only reason opening day is even sold out is because it's the Yankees (who bring their own fans). If we were playing the Rays, Guardians, Jays, etc. I'm not sure we would sell out opening day. You cannot keep alienating your customers and think their is not a cost that comes along with that.

[Bemorewins]

6 minutes ago, eddie83 said:

Here is the interview they were hyping during the game yesterday. 
 

https://video.masnsports.com/video/JohnAngeloswithKevinBrown/3758

This is a nightmare scenario for me as a fan of the team. Not one thing mentioned was about how to improve the baseball team or bring a World Series championship to Baltimore. I'm afraid that I may be waisting my time as a fan, as my goals don't align with the goals of the team.

If the Orioles lose the diehards, where will they get the fans or for that matter the people to come to this grand downtown they seemed to be trying to build?

[spleen1015]

This idea that Angelos hasn't given Elias what he needs, opening up the purse strings, where does it come from? No one that really knows what's going on has come out and said this.

Do we know if Elias made offers this off season that were rejected? Maybe his budget doesn't allow for overpaying for SP?

Maybe Elias decided that the X amount of dollars he has to spend this year would be better off saved for next year?

A majority of people dislike Angelos, so they just blame him when Elias doesn't spend.

[MCO'sFan]

Way too early to hit the panic button. The pitching was not great but it is truly hard to tell exactly how bad or good because this was the worst defense I have ever seen in a 3 game series. Virtually every player either made a physical error or a mental error and it prolonged innings and put pressure ion the pitching that shouldn't have been there. They obviously would have taken the first game much easier than they did with better defense and won the second game rather easily as well. They may have even been able to eek out a win yesterday. I'd say the fiasco in Boston was 70/30 on the defense over the pitching. When you have average (at best) pitching, you have to have above average defense. This was comical, if it wasn't so sad.  

[Frobby]

2 hours ago, RZNJ said:

If he clearly heard Vavra’s comments then he also heard Vavra calling for the ball.  Vavra is a scrub.  Henderson is a future star.  Doesn’t matter.  Henderson was in the wrong.

It was an unfortunate play.  Honestly I think if Vavra is more experienced in the OF, he sees that Henderson has called for it and that it’s an easy play for him, and just backs off.   At that depth, it’s really an infielder’s play.  But Vavra did eventually call for it, and if Henderson heard him, he should have peeled off.  

Between that play and McKenna’s drop with Henderson in the vicinity in medium depth LF (for Fenway), let’s hope these were early season Fenway hiccups and that the defense will return to what we saw last year.  
 

[bobmc]

9 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It was an unfortunate play.  Honestly I think if Vavra is more experienced in the OF, he sees that Henderson has called for it and that it’s an easy play for him, and just backs off.   At that depth, it’s really an infielder’s play.  But Vavra did eventually call for it, and if Henderson heard him, he should have peeled off.  

Between that play and McKenna’s drop with Henderson in the vicinity in medium depth LF (for Fenway), let’s hope these were early season Fenway hiccups and that the defense will return to what we saw last year.  
 

Yep agreed and at least we took two of three - oh wait!  

 

 

[eddie83]

15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

It was an unfortunate play.  Honestly I think if Vavra is more experienced in the OF, he sees that Henderson has called for it and that it’s an easy play for him, and just backs off.   At that depth, it’s really an infielder’s play.  But Vavra did eventually call for it, and if Henderson heard him, he should have peeled off.  

Between that play and McKenna’s drop with Henderson in the vicinity in medium depth LF (for Fenway), let’s hope these were early season Fenway hiccups and that the defense will return to what we saw last year.  
 

I do think Fenway matters in the Vavra example. A normal park the LF is playing back farther. In this instance I could argue Vavra had the easier play. 

[eddie83]

1 hour ago, Bemorewins said:

My question was, from who? If you had to take a run at it and speculate, what would positive reinforcement look like to regarding his behavior?

My honest assessment from a person who loves the team and lives in the community is things are rapidly heading in the wrong direction. Almost all of the goodwill that was built up last year is just about gone. They are not dealing with a an ignorant/uniformed fanbase, who have limited entertainment options, and maximum discretionary dollars to spend.

The economy is terrible right now, inflation is sky high, live event attendance is down almost across the spectrum (post-pandemic). And people have a thing called Google and other things called social media, streaming services. Otherwise stated, it's a more informed fanbase than ever, with more entertainment options that ever. 

You cannot operate in this modern environment as an entertainment organization (which is what a baseball team is at the end of the day) and still succeed.

I would almost be willing to bet, that the only reason opening day is even sold out is because it's the Yankees (who bring their own fans). If we were playing the Rays, Guardians, Jays, etc. I'm not sure we would sell out opening day. You cannot keep alienating your customers and think their is not a cost that comes along with that.

Fans and media.

Same off-season except in addition

-signing a legit SP plus Adley extension

—Doesn’t snap back at media

- being more fan friendly organization

 

Not exactly asking for the moon here.  

Edited April 3, 2023 by eddie83