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2 hours ago, emmett16 said:

I think they are fine to go through the season and make a WC.  I think they need to upgrade for the playoffs.  The staff overall will be much improved in second half when we have Tate, Givens, Hall, +trade in the mix.  I think we are in a good spot but need to continue to improve. 

I agree with this take, I think it all depends on what the expectation of the team is.  Some fans expectation might be making the playoffs by winning a WC and if that is your expectation I think this pitching staff can handle that.  If you want to compete for the division and win a couple playoff series to compete for a WS then we need to make some additions.

I also am hopeful that Means is a meaningful in house second half addition.

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Was looking for a rotation thread to bump and found this one.  None of them are stars, but I think the continued competence of Wells/Kremer/Bradish has been a really positive development this yea

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Over his last 7 outings, Voth has an ERA of 1.64 and has allowed 8 base runners in 11 innings.  He allowed a run yesterday, but I thought his stuff was outstanding.  I’m in no hurry to see Voth go any

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Or maybe Wells was just bad after the break?  

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3 hours ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

You do need to be worried. We start off games bad. We struggle to go past 5 innings. We have no single pitcher that you can trust to start a playoff series against another team's ace. There is no stopper on the club. At any night, it would not be shocking to see our starter give up 6 runs in 2 innings.

Six runs in two innings, eh?  It's only happened once, and that was on April 25th with Kyle Bradish pitching against the Red Sox.  One for 37 is 2.7%... So I'd guess I'd be a little surprised.  

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10 minutes ago, BRobinsonfan said:

Six runs in two innings, eh?  It's only happened once, and that was on April 25th with Kyle Bradish pitching against the Red Sox.  One for 37 is 2.7%... So I'd guess I'd be a little surprised.  

I wasn't being literal, but meaning it's just as likely to have a bad outing as it is to have a good one. None are reliable. And if we look at stats, don't just look at this season but there whole career

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You just don't know who is going to become good, great, decent, or completely fall off a cliff -- or get hurt.  It would seem the teams that produce the best pitchers again and again over time do not put all their eggs in a few starting pitcher baskets.  Look at the Top 30 prospect lists for the Dodgers, Guardians, Rays, and especially the Yankees.  They are loaded with pitchers.   

The Orioles are due for some good luck in the pitching department, but they will have to help that luck along by dealing -- from both the major and minor league level -- for some promising arms.  I think Elias is headed in this direction already with the moves he made for pitchers like Seth Johnson and Cade Povich.  They need more.

That said I'm not so worried about any early struggles from the young O's starters.  Even Greg Maddux and Randy Johnson struggled early on.  Not everyone can be Mike Mussina.  

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Irvin is a roll now. Not sure he stays down much longer. The question is, who goes out of the rotation if that the role you want him in? 
 

Wells was the guy who went to the pen but would they take him out of the rotation at this point?

I don’t feel Irvin is necessarily the guy you want out of the pen because I’m not sure his stuff plays up better as a reliever vs a starter.

You obviously aren’t taking GRod or Gibson out of the rotation.

 

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13 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Irvin is a roll now. Not sure he stays down much longer. The question is, who goes out of the rotation if that the role you want him in? 
 

Wells was the guy who went to the pen but would they take him out of the rotation at this point?

I don’t feel Irvin is necessarily the guy you want out of the pen because I’m not sure his stuff plays up better as a reliever vs a starter.

You obviously aren’t taking GRod or Gibson out of the rotation.

 

Not taking Kremer out either after his last two starts. So that leaves Wells and Bradish. Both of whom would see likely stuff boost in the pen. It’s a good problem to have and will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Hopefully no injuries and it’s strictly performance based. 

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7 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:

Not taking Kremer out either after his last two starts. So that leaves Wells and Bradish. Both of whom would see likely stuff boost in the pen. It’s a good problem to have and will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Hopefully no injuries and it’s strictly performance based. 

Wonder if they start to “match up” like they are doing with their hitter shuffle between AAA and MLB.  

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17 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Still am. Two times through the rotation doesn’t fix everything. 

Kremer was good last night, still only struck out 4 batters in six innings.  He did only walk two, which is really good but the lack of strikeouts is worrisome.

 

Kremer's never been a big strikeout guy. He's a soft contact guy that just gets people out.

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43 minutes ago, Fiver6565 said:

Not taking Kremer out either after his last two starts. So that leaves Wells and Bradish. Both of whom would see likely stuff boost in the pen. It’s a good problem to have and will be fascinating to see how it all plays out. Hopefully no injuries and it’s strictly performance based. 

Right now I see nothing in performance to suggest any starting pitcher get demoted. Maybe the Orioles should try a 6 man rotation/spot start from time to time just to give an opportunity to guys like Irvin, Hall, Rom, (or even Voth)?

I think by the trade deadline they are going to have to clear the bottleneck because there's guys in AA who are going to need to be promoted to AAA too.

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1 hour ago, Moose Milligan said:

That’s really not a recipe for long term success in this day and age, IMO.  

No, it’s not. You have all the former power pitchers who learned to be crafty once their velo dropped, but not a ton of guys who succeed purely as finesse pitchers in this era of baseball.

On a somewhat related note, it makes you feel good to see the Rays drop 8 runs on the Yanks after we just held them to 6 runs total in three games. 

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