Kevin Brown absence explained?

[LookinUp]

I got the feeling that Roch tweeting about Machado and Rob Long wearing over the top O's gear last night were signs of solidarity with KB. 

When the booth went quiet during the Free Kevin Brown chant, I felt like they were kind of caught off guard.

[FlipTheBird]

53 minutes ago, dystopia said:

I agree it's not exactly the pinnacle of credibility but at the same time, is there really anything that's unbelievable when it comes to these tyrants anymore?

That’s how misinformation spreads. People believing it because they *want* it to be true.

[Number5]

44 minutes ago, dystopia said:

I agree it's not exactly the pinnacle of credibility but at the same time, is there really anything that's unbelievable when it comes to these tyrants anymore?

Yeah, I don't think fans can be kicked out because ownership doesn't like the way they are cheering.  As long as a fan isn't doing something illegal, indecent, profane, threatening, or dangerous, I think he's free to cheer however he wants.  This rumor doesn't really seem credible to me.  Of course, the reason for suspending Kevin Brown didn't make sense to me, either, but Brown is an employee of Angelos.  The fans aren't employees.  He can't give fans a gag order.

[dystopia]

2 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Yeah, I don't think fans can be kicked out because ownership doesn't like the way they are cheering.  As long as a fan isn't doing something illegal, indecent, profane, threatening, or dangerous, I think he's free to cheer however he wants.  This rumor doesn't really seem credible to me.  Of course, the reason for suspending Kevin Brown didn't make sense to me, either, but Brown is an employee of Angelos.  The fans aren't employees.  He can't give fans a gag order.

Fans do not need to break the law to be kicked out of a sporting event. 

[dystopia]

Just now, dystopia said:

Fans do not need to break the law to be kicked out of a sporting event. 

To clarify, umpires have thrown fans out for heckling them. 

[Number5]

Just now, dystopia said:

Fans do not need to break the law to be kicked out of a sporting event. 

I didn't say they did.

[dystopia]

3 minutes ago, FlipTheBird said:

That’s how misinformation spreads. People believing it because they *want* it to be true.

I don’t want it to be true. I’m not even saying it is. I’m just saying it doesn’t strain credibility at this point. 

[Number5]

1 minute ago, dystopia said:

To clarify, umpires have thrown fans out for heckling them. 

Only if done in a profane or threatening manor.

[dystopia]

1 minute ago, Number5 said:

Only if done in a profane or threatening manor.

I guess it depends on what “can’t be kicked out” means. If they were thrown out for the KB chant, they probably could take legal action since they paid for tickets. Bu they still could have been demanded that they leave, on Angelos’ orders. It seems on brand at this point. The man is nuts. 

[Aristotelian]

11 minutes ago, Number5 said:

Yeah, I don't think fans can be kicked out because ownership doesn't like the way they are cheering.  As long as a fan isn't doing something illegal, indecent, profane, threatening, or dangerous, I think he's free to cheer however he wants.  This rumor doesn't really seem credible to me.  Of course, the reason for suspending Kevin Brown didn't make sense to me, either, but Brown is an employee of Angelos.  The fans aren't employees.  He can't give fans a gag order.

D-backs fans are required to wear team or neutral colors behind home plate. Apparently this is in the terms & conditions when they purchase their ticket. I wonder what Angelos has in the fine print for O's tickets. 

[crawjo]

I have a different perspective on all this today. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that someone like Michael Kay or John Sterling would speak out about this. They literally work for a franchise that doesn't allow players to grow facial hair, and that still requires forced displays of patriotism at all home games. Those are infinitely worse crimes than what the Orioles have done to Brown. 

The other thing is, it feels like every now and then, the baseball industry likes to have a go at the Orioles. Everybody is quick to jump on the bandwagon of trashing the franchise. More often than not, the franchise deserves it, but I think the pile-on is shaped in part by the fact that the Orioles are seen as an easy punching bag. If it was a richer franchise, the criticism would not be quite so vocal or loud.

So, in other words, I'm done with this controversy. Brown will be back in the booth in a couple days. Angelos is an idiot, but I'm not joining in on the collective freak-out anymore. 

[rm5678]

57 minutes ago, LookinUp said:

I got the feeling that Roch tweeting about Machado and Rob Long wearing over the top O's gear last night were signs of solidarity with KB. 

When the booth went quiet during the Free Kevin Brown chant, I felt like they were kind of caught off guard.

I don't have a Twitter account so I can no longer view tweets. Can you post Roch's tweets about Machado and Long? Thanks.

[Can_of_corn]

1 minute ago, crawjo said:

I have a different perspective on all this today. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that someone like Michael Kay or John Sterling would speak out about this. They literally work for a franchise that doesn't allow players to grow facial hair, and that still requires forced displays of patriotism at all home games. Those are infinitely worse crimes than what the Orioles have done to Brown. 

The other thing is, it feels like every now and then, the baseball industry likes to have a go at the Orioles. Everybody is quick to jump on the bandwagon of trashing the franchise. More often than not, the franchise deserves it, but I think the pile-on is shaped in part by the fact that the Orioles are seen as an easy punching bag. If it was a richer franchise, the criticism would not be quite so vocal or loud.

So, in other words, I'm done with this controversy. Brown will be back in the booth in a couple days. Angelos is an idiot, but I'm not joining in on the collective freak-out anymore. 

How is it a crime to have a dress code for your employees as one of the terms of employment?

Don't the majority of employers have some sort of dress code?

[crawjo]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

How is it a crime to have a dress code for your employees as one of the terms of employment?

Don't the majority of employers have some sort of dress code?

It's not a crime, just like it's not a crime to suspend a broadcaster for saying things that are factual. Whether or not it is a crime is not the issue that we are dealing with here. 

I'm talking about things that are wrong, not criminal. And I stand by what I said. Now, as I said above, I'm done talking about this story. 
 

Edited August 9, 2023 by crawjo

[Moose Milligan]

4 minutes ago, crawjo said:

I have a different perspective on all this today. The more I think about it, the more it bothers me that someone like Michael Kay or John Sterling would speak out about this. They literally work for a franchise that doesn't allow players to grow facial hair, and that still requires forced displays of patriotism at all home games. Those are infinitely worse crimes than what the Orioles have done to Brown. 

The other thing is, it feels like every now and then, the baseball industry likes to have a go at the Orioles. Everybody is quick to jump on the bandwagon of trashing the franchise. More often than not, the franchise deserves it, but I think the pile-on is shaped in part by the fact that the Orioles are seen as an easy punching bag. If it was a richer franchise, the criticism would not be quite so vocal or loud.

So, in other words, I'm done with this controversy. Brown will be back in the booth in a couple days. Angelos is an idiot, but I'm not joining in on the collective freak-out anymore. 

I don't understand how having a facial hair policy, as archaic as it is, is worse than what the Orioles did here.  It's akin to a dress code policy that a lot of companies have.  I'm also not clear on the forced displays of patriotism.

I'm also not understanding why people think the Orioles are a target for anyone.  What does wealth have to do with it, other than people's obsession over money that doesn't belong to them?