Frobby Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, NCRaven said: I'm a fan of Mountcastle, but you consider trading anyone if the offer is right. But, I still think he's undervalued. He's a plus defender at 1B and slightly better than a league average hitter. Mayo has not proven he can play on the infield grass. In fact, his performance argues against that. Personally, I think Basallo will be the replacement at 1B in the long term. And, if the Orioles are going to trade a veteran fielder during the off season, I think it's more likely to be Mullins than Mountcastle. It really boils down to their professional judgment on Mayo. He hasn’t played well at 1B yet, but he should be able to learn it. Mountcastle eventually did. The fact that we have O’Hearn means that Mayo doesn’t need to play 1B every day anyways. I’m not giving Mountcastle away just to make room for Mayo, but if we can use him to fill another need, I’d certainly consider it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safelykept Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 7 minutes ago, NCRaven said: I'm a fan of Mountcastle, but you consider trading anyone if the offer is right. But, I still think he's undervalued. He's a plus defender at 1B and slightly better than a league average hitter. Mayo has not proven he can play on the infield grass. In fact, his performance argues against that. Personally, I think Basallo will be the replacement at 1B in the long term. And, if the Orioles are going to trade a veteran fielder during the off season, I think it's more likely to be Mullins than Mountcastle. Dont think Cedric gets traded, could owed next to million next year. Whats his trade value? Teams could wait til He,s non tendered (if he is) thenpick him up as a FA at close to this years money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Safelykept Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, Safelykept said: Dont think Cedric gets traded, could owed next to million next year. Whats his trade value? Teams could wait til He,s non tendered (if he is) thenpick him up as a FA at close to this years money. should read next to 9 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpoh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, emmett16 said: Holliday(Jackeon) did. His father is on record saying that one of his differentiators (44.5 WAR .889 lifetime OPS) was his work in the weight room during the season. He explains that the majority of players only lift for gains and put on mass in off-season and then lose all their gains and are gassed & 5-10 LB lighter at end of year. He credits his in season heavy lifting and in season strength gains to his success. Yes- that was my point of my previous post. These guys train in season and they train heavy in season. The volume (number of total reps) is generally where the program will decrease in intensity. Its not going to look like your offseason training from a total volume standpoint, but the intensity from how heavy is generally a lot closer or just a little bit adjusted. The other point of my post is that none of these changes happen in 10 days, so using one IL stint for a big leaguer will hardly accomplish that. The article about Holliday making his gains in season are over a much longer period of time and also when he was playing half games in the minor leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian88 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Can't wait until Mountcastle comes back absolutely jacked, hitting bombs into the upper deck. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Phil Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Where is ‘only one oriole’ when we need his weightlifting expertise? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chelsea_Phil Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Oh, right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpoh Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 12 minutes ago, terpoh said: Yes- that was my point of my previous post. These guys train in season and they train heavy in season. The volume (number of total reps) is generally where the program will decrease in intensity. Its not going to look like your offseason training from a total volume standpoint, but the intensity from how heavy is generally a lot closer or just a little bit adjusted. The other point of my post is that none of these changes happen in 10 days, so using one IL stint for a big leaguer will hardly accomplish that. The article about Holliday making his gains in season are over a much longer period of time and also when he was playing half games in the minor leagues. they also need to be smart with how they load these guys and a lot goes into it- time of the year, how much they play, travel, preferences of the player etc. There is no one size fits all for each guy. Some guys have a lot of success training hard in season (Matt Holliday), other guys have success doing the opposite- But all of them are doing some form of training throughout the entire season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan8703 Posted August 27 Author Share Posted August 27 1 hour ago, Frobby said: It really boils down to their professional judgment on Mayo. He hasn’t played well at 1B yet, but he should be able to learn it. Mountcastle eventually did. The fact that we have O’Hearn means that Mayo doesn’t need to play 1B every day anyways. I’m not giving Mountcastle away just to make room for Mayo, but if we can use him to fill another need, I’d certainly consider it. O’Hearn might be a RF option when Santa leaves. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O's84 Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 37 minutes ago, Chelsea_Phil said: Where is ‘only one oriole’ when we need his weightlifting expertise? He got banned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waroriole Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 35 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said: O’Hearn might be a RF option when Santa leaves. Ugh I know you’re probably right and I hate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sportsfan8703 Posted 2 hours ago Author Share Posted 2 hours ago Terrible ABs for a cleanup hitter. Mounty is an ok option for 162, but is an easy out by playoff level pitching. No plan for the outside pitch. He can’t lay off. I guess he wants it that bad. Ground ball to 2nd base at best. We should move on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OsFanSinceThe80s Posted 1 hour ago Share Posted 1 hour ago 51 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said: Terrible ABs for a cleanup hitter. Mounty is an ok option for 162, but is an easy out by playoff level pitching. No plan for the outside pitch. He can’t lay off. I guess he wants it that bad. Ground ball to 2nd base at best. We should move on. Mountcastle is a decent bat and can be a player on a World Series team. He isn't one if he's forced to bat cleanup/middle of order. And Santander has no business batting third as a low OBP hitter. Spots three and four in the Orioles lineup need to upgraded for long term postseason success. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24fps Posted 55 minutes ago Share Posted 55 minutes ago 24 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said: Mountcastle is a decent bat and can be a player on a World Series team. He isn't one if he's forced to bat cleanup/middle of order. And Santander has no business batting third as a low OBP hitter. Spots three and four in the Orioles lineup need to upgraded for long term postseason success. It's clear (to me at least) that an established MOO bat will be close to the top of Elias' shopping list this offseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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