The 2024 Trade Deadline

[Aristotelian]

19 minutes ago, Three Run Homer said:

Rumor has it that we are open to trading Mountcastle.  Rumor also has it that we want to trade for a veteran bat.   Is there any scenario where it would make sense to do both?  

Where did you see this rumor? We are pretty solid up and down the lineup so I don't know where this veteran bat would play, even if we were to trade Mountcastle.

[Roll Tide]

10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Buddy, that ain't the way to get out.

I don't see anyone picking him up during the season.

Can he actually get away with refusing to pitch in the playoffs? 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, Rbiggs2525 said:

That’s not correct at all. Christian Walker has been 9,10 and 11 fielding run value the last 3 years. You can’t judge Mayo first base defense on a couple games. I remember Westburg coming up as a hit over field guy.

I can certainly judge that RIGHT NOW Mayo is not a ML first baseman.

If you were talking about next season I'd have a different opinion.

Good get on Walker.  I still say first base (and catcher) metrics are wonky compared to other positions.

[sportsfan8703]

11 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Buddy, that ain't the way to get out.

I don't see anyone picking him up during the season.

Asking for that is sort of saying I only want to stay here or go to the LAD. 

[OnlyOneOriole]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

Can he actually get away with refusing to pitch in the playoffs? 

If a team in playoff contention wants to trade for him?  Yes.

The White sox aren't so he can say that.

 

Being honest what he is asking for isn't that bad of a deal for the club trading for him.  It gives them options.

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, Roll Tide said:

Can he actually get away with refusing to pitch in the playoffs? 

Do you want to trade for him and find out if he's bluffing?

 

[Can_of_corn]

2 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

Asking for that is sort of saying I only want to stay here or go to the LAD. 

I don't see why any team would acquiesce to that demand.

[OnlyOneOriole]

1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:

I can certainly judge that RIGHT NOW Mayo is not a ML first baseman.

If you were talking about next season I'd have a different opinion.

Good get on Walker.  I still say first base (and catcher) metrics are wonky compared to other positions.

I could probably play first base at a respectable level.  In fact I did filling in for my HS team from my normal 3rd base position.  It is super easy compared to most other positions.   Obviously I am exaggerating to a degree but playing first base is almost like being a DH.  Just catch the ball when it is hit or thrown to you.

These guys have played baseball their entire lives.  It isn't rocket surgery to do that and play at first base. 

[sportsfan8703]

Mountcastle was 3-5 today. Maybe he’s waking up. Cowser has had two homers out of the break too.

Our rotation is really weak 3-5. I mean, how much more can we ask of Suarez?  He was a band aid to get us to the deadline at best. Well, we’re here. Then we have Povich/McDermott in another spot. They aren’t ready this year. 

[LGOrioles]

17 minutes ago, interloper said:

A part of me wonders if Elias is looking at this team objectively and seeing that 3 of his starters are lost to injury, his closer stinks, the offense and defense came back down to earth, his bullpen is a mess, his two top pitching prospects are not going to give him much this year... And maybe he's thinking, ehhh it might just not be our year, better keep all the assets. 

I don't think that's necessarily the case, but you have to wonder how many moves it would take to really give this team a fighting chance in the playoffs, and is it worth it to Elias to move that many prospects in order to do that.

At the same time he also already traded Ortiz and Hall for Burnes. That’s not a trade you make to not go for it at least a little bit when you’re in first place in the AL at the deadline. Looking around the AL, it also looks a lot weaker than it did last year. Last year you had the O’s, a 100 win TB team, a stronger Houston squad than this year’s team, and a Texas team that was much better than its record. Much of the O’s struggles have been against mediocre to bad teams as well - they have the best record in the league against teams over .500.

And overall they still have a very strong team, just with a few flaws/holes. The position players have the 3rd best WAR in the league, even if they’ve been pretty unclutch and bad in RISP situations. The pitching is also still 5th in WAR, 7th in ERA, and 9th in FIP. They have most of the key guys in place right now. They need a game 3 starter behind Burnes/Rodriguez and at least one backend relief guy, if not two. They could certainly improve quite a bit while not mortgaging the future and giving up Holliday, Mayo, or Basallo. 

[Rbiggs2525]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I can certainly judge that RIGHT NOW Mayo is not a ML first baseman.

If you were talking about next season I'd have a different opinion.

Good get on Walker.  I still say first base (and catcher) metrics are wonky compared to other positions.

They can be but I judge by eye test. When I watch a Walker or Rizzo I see a difference maker. Mountcastle was a decent defender to start the season but over the past 2 months pretty below average. Mounty has also been a bad defender starting 18 years old at SS in minors. 

[OnlyOneOriole]

2 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't see why any team would acquiesce to that demand.

I will have to find the article about this but they went into detail and it actually works to the benefit of the team trading for him overall. 

[Orioles Jim]

29 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

They have sources of data. We just don’t know them. Real insiders. 

All the small shop gambling sites you see are backed by the Vegas casinos like MGM, Caesar’s, Bally’s, Harrah’s, etc…. They just don’t go by those names. 

So like that small MD book, is probably backed by one of the big boys. Just using their internal lines. 

EXACTLY.

There’s saying that, “There’s a reason why they keep building new casinos in Vegas, not tearing them down.”

[Roll Tide]

3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I don't see why any team would acquiesce to that demand.

He’s a high injury risk …I’m not interested 

[Can_of_corn]

Just now, OnlyOneOriole said:

I could probably play first base at a respectable level.  In fact I did filling in for my HS team from my normal 3rd base position.  It is super easy compared to most other positions.   Obviously I am exaggerating to a degree but playing first base is almost like being a DH.  Just catch the ball when it is hit or thrown to you.

These guys have played baseball their entire lives.  It isn't rocket surgery to do that and play at first base. 

Can you explain the numbers Mayo is putting up at first in the minors?

He has six errors in 131 innings.  His E/A ratio is one.

Mountcastle has three errors in 743 innings.  His E/A ratio is 3/50.