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Right..btw, I don’t want this to come across as me being upset by this strategy. I think one reliever, a good TOR level guy and a few key bench guys is what the team needs. I don’t think we need to go

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The same could have been said about the Blue Jays not that long ago.

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Rather strange post from you. I've always assumed you were a pedal to the metal kinda guy when it came to talent acquisition. This post seems a bit out of character. Do you know something more you are

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18 minutes ago, oriolediehard said:

If July is all the O's are going to do, then forget the 2025 playoffs.  We are losing Burnes, Santander, McCann, Means and the July moves are to replace our losses, it's ludicrous.  We won't finish at .500 in 2025, maybe worse.

 

Can you show me where I said that’s all they are going to do?  Are you actually reading what’s being said?

It’s also funny that you would mention McCann and means as actual losses.

And they could definitely be a playoff team as constructed right now but the margin for error wouldn’t be high.

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When you pick guys up at the deadline, the logical goal is that they will help you for the rest of the season. It is hoped that they may also help you in subsequent seasons.

Rogers was useless, and even though Elias is hoping he will be good, there’s no reason to think that he will be. That was just a bad trade. Dominguez and Soto are problematic, Eflin was a clear win.

Elias should try to improve upon these guys, and it will be disappointing if he does not.

 

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8 hours ago, JR Oriole said:

When I feel way more confident in Tommy Edman in a big playoff moment than any one of our young talents, that is a problem. 

That is a problem. But I think a big part of that problem might be correctly referred to as “recency bias.”

Coming into the NLCS, Tommy Edman had a .556 OPS over 80 postseason PAs. He had a great week in the NLCS, but even after those 6 great games, his career playoff OPS is just .681.

If you’d feel better about him in a vacuum than guys like Gunnar or Westburg or Adley, I think you’re giving a whole lot too much focus to a short hot streak.

EDIT: And as I hit send, Tommy boots a grounder by Stanton. It’s a shame, because I like him as a player. But he’s not a cornerstone dude, not matter how good a series he just had.

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3 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:

I've seen you say this Bregman thing before, and I'm curious what makes you think that beyond the obvious Houston connection.  Bregman is an awful fit for us - we already have a third baseman for one (arguably 2, but that depends on how anyone feels about Mayo at third - plus Urias either way though), and he's a RH hitter in a ballpark that would be terrible for him.  Plus the injury concerns.  I don't get it.

Not only does the bergman thing not make any sense, Bregman has said that he would not be interested in playing in Baltimore due to the wall. Bregman is NOT coming to Baltimore.

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4 hours ago, Fiver6565 said:

I've seen you say this Bregman thing before, and I'm curious what makes you think that beyond the obvious Houston connection.  Bregman is an awful fit for us - we already have a third baseman for one (arguably 2, but that depends on how anyone feels about Mayo at third - plus Urias either way though), and he's a RH hitter in a ballpark that would be terrible for him.  Plus the injury concerns.  I don't get it.

Bregman is lower risk than Burnes.    I don't expect either, more just thinking what player type Elias the portfolio manager might recommend with the opportunity to chase this level of guy.

He has an edge in championship achievement and controls the strike zone to diversify the lineup's approaches.

That said, Westburg's breakout was one of the best things that happened in 2024, and it is a good situation if the move is set and forget as will probably happen.

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59 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

He's on record saying that?  I missed that.

yes, He’s on record saying that half of his HR’s would not be HR’s in Baltimore. Something about the ballpark being very tough on hitters like him. No, he did not say he would not play for Baltimore under any circumstances. But what he did say was plenty for me

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1 hour ago, theobird said:

yes, He’s on record saying that half of his HR’s would not be HR’s in Baltimore. Something about the ballpark being very tough on hitters like him. No, he did not say he would not play for Baltimore under any circumstances. But what he did say was plenty for me

Eh, if we offer him the most money,  he'd likely shut up about the wall and sign here.   Not that I think we will or should,  but money is 99% of the reason decisions are made.  Sure,  if everything else is equal he may rather not play here,  but that objection, like most,  can be overcome with the checkbook if really needed. 

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    • Jim'sKid26
      What the Os did at the deadline will matter

      By Jim'sKid26 · Posted

      The pattern, as I see it, is two straight years of getting swept in the first round of the playoffs.  The takeaway is that the teams were not good enough to win in the playoffs. The crack in the model, IMHO, is the drafting strategy that excluded high ceiling pitching prospects in the draft. I will concede that that may not have had a huge effect on the 2024 team had the hitters they drafted instead had actually performed well when they came up. Timing and injury luck were definitely factors, but every team has injuries and bad luck. Depth helps mitigate injuries.  Gunnar is a star, I agree. Adley was not good in 2024. Westburg got hurt.  With regard to how playoff games outweigh regular season games I can only say that "flags fly forever."
    • OsFanSinceThe80s
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    • Pickles
      What the Os did at the deadline will matter

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      I've had better, but we're very much in alignment this off-season, which hasn't often been the case. They need a RHH OF option.  It doesn't have to be a regular, but it has to be somebody who can defend and hit lefties.  It's a need but it is a supplemental piece to what is already there. Same is really true of the bullpen.  They need to supplement what they have. The rotation is a little different, as it always is, because you can literally never have enough great starting pitching.  But most of the rotation is already in place. If they spent a lot of money this is where I suspect it would be at.  But they don't have to sign a 100+ million FA contract to bring in a guy that can make this rotation championship caliber.
    • justD
      How Much of the World Series Will You Watch?

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    • Sports Guy
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      Another great post.  Easily one of my favorite posters on this site. 
    • Sports Guy
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      By Sports Guy · Posted

      I think this is the best post you have ever made.  Really well said. I think what CoC was saying is that the BJs had good young talent on offense.  The depth of that talent is greatly questioned and yea, their FA signings have larger been failures. I don’t think people will ever learn that throwing 9 figure deals at aging and soon to be declining players isn’t a smart thing to do…but hey, it makes our payroll number look so much better!  Ownership is trying!!!
    • Pickles
      What the Os did at the deadline will matter

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      Good post. The Blue Jays references are basically nonsensical and just made for the crying losers to cry loudly and loserly with no coherent point to make. First, it ignores that the Blue Jays had a pretty successful run, 3 out of 4 years in the playoffs, with the off-year being a 91 win which as you point out would almost certainly results in a playoff berth under current rules. Second, if the Blue Jays are to be defined as an example of being unsuccessful, then it makes your "argument" (not that you really have one other than wishing to cry and moan) weaker, because they did exactly what you want the Orioles to do.  They signed plenty of FAs.  They brought in Gausman, over 100 million; Bassit, over 20 mil annually; Chad Green, 3 year contract for a bullpen arm; Kikuchi 3 years for a Japanese FA; Springer, 150 million. Again, it is moronic and nonsensical.  tHe bLuE jAys aRe FaIlUrEs, tHe oS sHoUlD dO wHaT tHeY dID. The Blue Jays weren't more successful primarily because their own internal players, including Vlad Jr., did not/have not become the players they hoped for. The same will be true for the Orioles over the next 5 years.  Their success or failure will almost entirely hinge on how Rutschman, Henderson, Cowser, Kjerstad, Holliday, Bassallo and a few others perform/develop.  If most of those guys don't perform as well above average regulars, no vEtErAn bAt is going to make much of a difference.

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