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Even with that as a prospect, I can't bring myself to root for a loss. I've tried, I feel dirty.

I won't root for the O's to lose as I don't think there is as much of a correlation between the draft and turning a franchise around as there is in other sports. If we're willing to bust slot we'll get one of the drafts best prospects regardless of whether we pick 3rd or 13th.

But when a loss means something of immense value to a franchise, I'd have no trouble "rooting" for that to occur. I admit, I was hoping that the Colts lost at the end of the year when they were in the hunt for the #1 pick. Although I thought of it as rooting for the Colts to win the Peyton Manning sweepstakes rather than rooting for 'em to lose a particular game.

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Well, you certainly are entitled to that opinion, but I don't see any future draft pick in the next 2-3 years (by us), getting more than Wieters just did unless Wieters is blowing through MILB and on his way to Baltimore. So if that's your assumption, I'll jump onboard.

Your logic baffles me, no offense. Each draft is different and when you try and compare the next few picks to Wieters it will only lead to trouble and turmoil. You have to give Wieters at least 2-3 years to develop before we expect him to be ready for the big club. If we rush him then it will be just like Ben McDonald and Jeffrey Hammonds.

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Your logic baffles me, no offense. Each draft is different and when you try and compare the next few picks to Wieters it will only lead to trouble and turmoil. You have to give Wieters at least 2-3 years to develop before we expect him to be ready for the big club. If we rush him then it will be just like Ben McDonald and Jeffrey Hammonds.

My premis is that we aren't giving out MORE money in next years draft than Wieters just got UNLESS he is on his way to Baltimore. Is your premis that #1-#3 signing money can go down from the previous year? I don't have that opinion but show me, I'm open to learning something new...

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Your logic baffles me, no offense. Each draft is different and when you try and compare the next few picks to Wieters it will only lead to trouble and turmoil. You have to give Wieters at least 2-3 years to develop before we expect him to be ready for the big club. If we rush him then it will be just like Ben McDonald and Jeffrey Hammonds.

If Wieters isn't ready by the 2009 season, he likely is going to be a bust.

College players move a lot quicker, especially ones rated as the best in the draft.

He is very advanced. He may be ready by July of next year.

Look at guys like Ryan Zimmerman...Its not uncommon at all.

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If Wieters isn't ready by the 2009 season, he likely is going to be a bust.

College players move a lot quicker, especially ones rated as the best in the draft.

He is very advanced. He may be ready by July of next year.

Look at guys like Ryan Zimmerman...Its not uncommon at all.

Its not uncommon, but every player is different and rushing a talent can ruin a career. Just because Zimmerman was ready doesn't mean Wieters will be.

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Its not uncommon, but every player is different and rushing a talent can ruin a career. Just because Zimmerman was ready doesn't mean Wieters will be.

Do you know what Zimmerman signed for? I suspect it was less than Wieters, probably by a considerable amount.... so while you are correct in that it is bad to rush a player to the majors, it's also true that if Wieters doesn't make it by 2009, he's a bust with respect to what was paid to him and expectations of him. Doesn't mean he can't go on to have a decent career. Just means he should have been a later first round pick or perhaps not even first round depending on how long it takes for him to make it.

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Do you kbow what Zimmerman signed for? I suspect it was less than Wieters, probably by a considerable amount.... so while you are correct in that it is bad to rush a player to the majors, it's also true that if Wieters doesn't make it by 2009, he's a bust with respect to what was aid to him and expectations of him. Doesn't mean he can't go on to have a decent career. Just means he should have been a later first round pick or perhaps not even first round depending on how long it takes for him to make it.

Your logic is more suited for prospects in the NFL Draft and not the MLB draft. Baseball drafts are crap shoots, always have and always will be. Besides what Zimmerman signed for is irrelevant to what Wieters signed for because rookie salaries will continue to go up.

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Your logic is more suited for prospects in the NFL Draft and not the MLB draft. Baseball drafts are crap shoots, always have and always will be. Besides what Zimmerman signed for is irrelevant to what Wieters signed for because rookie salaries will continue to go up.

And what I am trying to tell you is IMO I don't see us shelling out $6-10 million in next years crap shoot UNLESS Wieters meets or surpasses his expectations.

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And what I am trying to tell you is IMO I don't see us shelling out $6-10 million in next years crap shoot UNLESS Wieters meets or surpasses his expectations.

Who says they will have to? The #2 pick has been in the 4 million range the last few years i think.

What they spend on next year's draft will likely have no bearing on what they spent this year.

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Prospects contracts are rising every year and thats a fact so keep trying to deny it but you will continue to fail.

That's not much of a fact.....Travis Lee and Matt White got 10 million dollar contracts(forced their way to becoming a FA) 10 years ago or so.

CPat got like a 3-4 million dollar signing bonus years ago. Look at Tex and Prior.

The contracts aren't really much different....I mean, it is a little more but not a ton.

Where you do see differences now is in the later rounds.

But early rounds...Those big money deals have been around for years.

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Who says they will have to? The #2 pick has been in the 4 million range the last few years i think.

What they spend on next year's draft will likely have no bearing on what they spent this year.

I guess I am talking about total $$$ outlayed.. we still don't know what Wieters actually signed for do we, other than the $6 Mil bonus? Has the #2 pick in the draft ever signed for less than the previous years #2 pick? (In total $$$)

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