Seems like MacPhail "gets it"

[Sports Guy]

I'm not sure about Roberts, but Tejada, yeah, and if Bedard will not sign an extension this offseason, see ya.... I think we can make a nice dent in rebuilding with trading Bedard, DCab, Tejada. However, since our philosophy as defined by our FO is on pitching, it isn't likley Bedard is going anywhere regradless this offseason.

Roberts has to be traded...There is no real reason to hold onto him IMO.(ok, before anyone jumps in and cries about it....you obviously have to get the right offer)

And yea, the philosophy may be based around pitching and i do think MacPhail will make a run at Bedard but if he doesn't sign an extension, you have to trade him.

If they are willing to trade BRob, DCab and Tejada and can sign BEdard to an extension, i won't be that upset if they hang onto Erik but Bedard will get us the most players.

I just doubt he would want to sign here if you trade all of those guys.

[Fan4Life]

Roberts has to be traded...There is no real reason to hold onto him IMO.(ok, before anyone jumps in and cries about it....you obviously have to get the right offer)

And yea, the philosophy may be based around pitching and i do think MacPhail will make a run at Bedard but if he doesn't sign an extension, you have to trade him.

If they are willing to trade BRob, DCab and Tejada and can sign BEdard to an extension, i won't be that upset if they hang onto Erik but Bedard will get us the most players.

I just doubt he would want to sign here if you trade all of those guys.

How many of the Dodgers great young guys might we be able to get for Bedard in your opnion?

[Miller192]

I am 100% with SG on this.

With such a thin free-agent market this year, we have a real opportunity to set this club for a great future.

[Sports Guy]

How many of the Dodgers great young guys might we be able to get for Bedard in your opnion?

Three.

I would think Kershaw, LaRoche and Hu is a good package for him.

I then look to deal Tejada and DCab for Quentin, Jackson and Callaspo.

Then trade BRob to a team focusing on getting a pitcher and a CF prospect.

Would try and trade Mora to the Indians or Twins for one of their solid relievers.(paying up to 70% of Mora's contract)

[clapdiddy]

I am as big of a "blow it up" guy as it comes. There is one thing I'm a little concerned about...

What happens if many of these teams that expect to be contenders next year just decide to go with young players? I've seen some articles (sorry, no links, but I'm speaking in generalities) that may indicate teams like the Dodgers or Arizona are perfectly happy working with the talent they've developed.

I think the biggest impact player we could deal right now would be Bedard. Pitching is one thing that will get you something decent back, especially when the free agent market is a bit thin this off season. He could be the one guy who other teams would be willing to give up a ton of young talent for.

[Fan4Life]

Three.

I would think Kershaw, LaRoche and Hu is a good package for him.

I then look to deal Tejada and DCab for Quentin, Jackson and Callaspo.

Then trade BRob to a team focusing on getting a pitcher and a CF prospect.

Would try and trade Mora to the Indians or Twins for one of their solid relievers.(paying up to 70% of Mora's contract)

I like it, are the Mets in the market for a 2b after their collapse? And if so, what could we get from them for Roberts?

[Sports Guy]

I like it, are the Mets in the market for a 2b after their collapse? And if so, what could we get from them for Roberts?

The Mets are one team...Milledge would be fine...I would certainly take Pelfrey or Humber but i am not sure they are as good as many here think.

Would the Cubs want BRob? I think Dave said they like DeRosa there...If they would be interested, would a Pie and Mashall deal work?

I would think the Padres would be interested but if we get LaRoche in a deal for Bedard, that takes away what we could get back from them.(Headley would be target)

The Rockies could have interest in BRob as well.

I just through out those 3 trades but at the end of the day, this is what we need to come up with:

CF

SS

third base

2nd

1st

pitching

In other words, we need everything because well, we have nothing.

[slaphitter]

Any monies spent on extending Tejada or Roberts would be well spent.

These two will remain productive ( barring injury ) throughout their thirties.

We need two more younger players just like them. The balance between All Star caliber veterans and solid youngsters will only help a rebuilding team quicken the rebuild.

Roberts and Tejada should be untouchable. They BOTH need to step up and take a captain like approach in 2008. Roberts can continue his proven success , while Miggy rebounds from his so-so season.

Bedard and Cabrera can get us every thing else we need. I trust MacPhail.

Dump Gibbons , trade Payton for some younger bench help.

Above all , don't go into the off season with Tike already penciled in CF.

[BaltBird 24]

CF

SS

third base

2nd

1st

pitching

In other words, we need everything because well, we have nothing.

Are you considering Reimold for LF, otherwise you'd have to add that to the list. Really we have Markakis and 8 other positions that either need traded for younger players are players acquired to fill giant holes.

[Sports Guy]

Are you considering Reimold for LF, otherwise you'd have to add that to the list. Really we have Markakis and 8 other positions that either need traded for younger players are players acquired to fill giant holes.

Yea, LF can added on there as well...Reimold is possible as well.

[Sports Guy]

Any monies spent on extending Tejada or Roberts would be well spent.

These two will remain productive ( barring injury ) throughout their thirties.

Based on what?

We need two more younger players just like them. The balance between All Star caliber veterans and solid youngsters will only help a rebuilding team quicken the rebuild.

Just 2???

Roberts and Tejada should be untouchable. They BOTH need to step up and take a captain like approach in 2008. Roberts can continue his proven success , while Miggy rebounds from his so-so season.

We have just had a season where we won 69 games...We have had a losing record for 10 straight years...We are expensive, old, declining, aging and lacking depth...Untouchable? No way.

[davearm]

If we just dealt our best pitcher and arguably our best veteran player along with a guy who hit nearly 20 Home Runs with nearly 80 RBI's after missing a month of the season..do you really believe that even with some quality prospects...we can be that much better someday..do you really???

I can see moving Tejada, Cabrera and trying to get out from under some contracts(Gibbons and maybe Mora) but the liklihood of us making all of the moves above sounds desperate..and panic button stuff. No way we make all those moves...unless Macphail is a complete idiot. I GUARENTEE WE WONT MOVE BEDARD..AND ROBERTS..I GUARENTEE IT..

Sports guy....ask your doctor and see what Paxil can do or you!

As bad as the O's were this year, just try to imagine how much worse they'll be if they lose Tejada, Bedard, and Roberts to free agency in a couple years, and get nothing but draft picks in return.

[BaltBird 24]

The only player on the entire team that I would consider to be untouchable Markakis.

There's no real hope on the way for LF, CF, SS, 3B, or 1B in the upper minors, with Reimold being the closest thing but with his injury history it's tough to count on him for anything.

Also, all the talk is nice and all....... but we've heard this before and yet we are still signing the Jay Payton's, Aubrey Huff's, Kevin Millar's, etc of the world every offseason.

[Sports Guy]

The only player on the entire team that I would consider to be untouchable Markakis.

There's no real hope on the way for LF, CF, SS, 3B, or 1B in the upper minors, with Reimold being the closest thing but with his injury history it's tough to count on him for anything.

Also, all the talk is nice and all....... but we've heard this before and yet we are still signing the Jay Payton's, Aubrey Huff's, Kevin Millar's, etc of the world every offseason.

I am not sure we have heard this though.

MacPhail does seem to get it more than Thribeattaganquette.

[BaltBird 24]

I am not sure we have heard this though.

MacPhail does seem to get it more than Thribeattaganquette.

The first time around with Beattie and Flanagan didn't we hear about wanting to work on development in the minors, going younger, and building up the young pitching?

Maybe it's more legit with MacPhail running things as opposed to two guys who were most likely over their head, but after so many years I'll expect more medicore signings of guys who do nothing for us instead of trades like you've proposed to LA, Arizona, and the Mets that would actually help build a real nucleus here in Baltimore.