Bigger problem: failure to develop our own players, or lack of aggressiveness in the FA market?

[CA-ORIOLE]

They haven't used their prospects at all for trading. They got Granderson for Coke, Jackson and Kennedy (you could argue they lost this trade) and they traded Melky for Javier Vasquez, he's not even on the Yankees. Swisher was had for nobodies. That's it.

Nick Johnson comes to mind. I think there are others.

[Enjoy Terror]

You say they haven't done it at all and then you give examples of them doing it? That's a pretty poor argument, isn't it?

Okay, great. You traded 5.5WAR, 21 game winner and Cy Young candidate Ian Kennedy PLUS 2.4 WAR centerfielder Austin Jackson, for 5.2 WAR Grandy?

This was the only major trade the Yankees made for their current team and you could now argue they shouldn't have made it at all and hung onto the prospects.

Great man, awesome counter riposte. Ya got me.

[Enjoy Terror]

Nick Johnson comes to mind. I think there are others.

Nick Johnson isn't on the Yankees.

[Frobby]

Hmmm I wish we had a Gm who would trade middling minor league arms for veteran position players......

MacPhail did this for the first time last offseason. Why not earlier when a guy like MCab was available?

Uh....WHAT? I don't think MCab was available for a couple of middling minor league arms. The Tigers traded 5 players, including Cameron Maybin who was the no. 6 prospect in the minors, Andrew Miller who had been no. 10 prior to the 2007 season, and 3 others. They also got Dontrelle Willis, who was coming off a 5.17 ERA season. It should be noted that the Tigers were an 88-win team at the time, a year removed from being the AL Champions, and thought adding MCab could get them back in the playoffs. It took 4 years before they were back.

Who were we going to trade after the 2007 season to get MCab?

[Sports Guy]

Okay, great. You traded 5.5WAR, 21 game winner and Cy Young candidate Ian Kennedy PLUS 2.4 WAR centerfielder Austin Jackson, for 5.2 WAR Grandy?

This was the only major trade the Yankees made for their current team and you could now argue they shouldn't have made it at all and hung onto the prospects.

Great man, awesome counter riposte. Ya got me.

Who cares if the deal was good, poor or even? The fact of the matter is that they took some prospects and traded them for an established star, a guy who could win the MVP this year.

On top of that, you have no idea if a guy like Kennedy would be as good in the AL East as he has been in the NL West.

Either way, you said they haven't done it when in fact, they have....which is the main point. The Yanks are like everyone else...They need to develop talent to succeed.

[Jimbo81]

Uh....WHAT? I don't think MCab was available for a couple of middling minor league arms. The Tigers traded 5 players, including Cameron Maybin who was the no. 6 prospect in the minors, Andrew Miller who had been no. 10 prior to the 2007 season, and 3 others. It should be noted that the Tigers were an 88-win team at the time, a yea removed from being the AL Champions, and thought adding MCab could get them back in the playoffs. It took 4 years before they were back.

Who were we going to trade after the 2007 season to get MCab?

Answer: We had no one in our system to beat this deal

[Sports Guy]

Nick Johnson isn't on the Yankees.

He was before they traded him....along with Juan Rivera.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1678044

[Enjoy Terror]

Uh....WHAT? I don't think MCab was available for a couple of middling minor league arms. The Tigers traded 5 players, including Cameron Maybin who was the no. 6 prospect in the minors, Andrew Miller who had been no. 10 prior to the 2007 season, and 3 others. They also got Dontrelle Willis, who was coming off a 5.17 ERA season. It should be noted that the Tigers were an 88-win team at the time, a year removed from being the AL Champions, and thought adding MCab could get them back in the playoffs. It took 4 years before they were back.

Who were we going to trade after the 2007 season to get MCab?

Penn, Olson, Majewski, Ray... and the headliner: Adam Loewen.

[Enjoy Terror]

He was before they traded him....along with Juan Rivera.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1678044

Oh right. Fifteen years ago. How did I forget.

[CA-ORIOLE]

He was before they traded him....along with Juan Rivera.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1678044

Right. They traded Johnson for Vasquez and dealt Vasquez as the main part of a deal for Randy Johnson a year later.

[CA-ORIOLE]

Oh right. Fifteen years ago. How did I forget.

6 years and the subsequent deal for Randy Johnson was 5. Point is there are probably a lot more when you begin to follow the bouncy ball. What young player/prospect have we traded for anything in the past 10 years?

[Enjoy Terror]

Who cares if the deal was good, poor or even? The fact of the matter is that they took some prospects and traded them for an established star, a guy who could win the MVP this year.

On top of that, you have no idea if a guy like Kennedy would be as good in the AL East as he has been in the NL West.

Either way, you said they haven't done it when in fact, they have....which is the main point. The Yanks are like everyone else...They need to develop talent to succeed.

That's not the point. The Yankees acquired one player on the current team through trading three prospects. This hardly hurt their farm system doing it.

In terms of trading, the Orioles almost matched the Yankees in terms of WAR by players acquired through trading.

In terms of internally developed players via the draft, the Orioles outdid the Yankees in WAR, 9.1 to 8.9. Almost even.

Actually, our ability to develop players is pretty decent. Wieters, Johnson, Markakis, Reimold, Arrieta and Britton are evidence of that.

The discrepancy? Free agency. The largest contributor to the Orioles through domestic free agency in 2011 was Willie Eyre. Look it up. He contributed more than Lee, Gonzo, Gregg and Guerrero.

The Yankees? They just had Sabathia, Garcia, ARod, Tex, Colon, Martin, Burnett, Jones, Soriano, Ayala, Wade... a few others.

In the international market? We did have Simon and Koji, they were helpful. But not as helpful as Cano, Rivera, Montero, Nova, Cervelli and Noesi are.

The O's need to fix how they do business in free agency to create depth in the minors, and then maybe they'll stop rushing players through the system and screwing up our prospects.

[Enjoy Terror]

6 years and the subsequent deal for Randy Johnson was 5. Point is there are probably a lot more when you begin to follow the bouncy ball. What young player/prospect have we traded for anything in the past 10 years?

Hayden Penn for tha Sox Killa

[CA-ORIOLE]

Okay, great. You traded 5.5WAR, 21 game winner and Cy Young candidate Ian Kennedy PLUS 2.4 WAR centerfielder Austin Jackson, for 5.2 WAR Grandy?

This was the only major trade the Yankees made for their current team and you could now argue they shouldn't have made it at all and hung onto the prospects.

Great man, awesome counter riposte. Ya got me.

They can afford to make those types of deals. They get guys with better ML track records who help them compete on a year to year basis. That's their goal. Not to mention, do you really thik Ian Kennedy would be as good in the AL East?

[Enjoy Terror]

They can afford to make those types of deals. They get guys with better ML track records who help them compete on a year to year basis. That's their goal. Not to mention, do you really thik Ian Kennedy would be as good in the AL East?

It's one player on the whole team. The Yankees acquired most of their talent through free agency. Conversely, the Orioles have done literally nothing in free agency.