On the Record: Better pitchers available that could be had for free instead of Eveland

[Dipper9]

I never claimed to be better or smarter than DD, nor did I join in on the "there are better options for free" campaign. All I said was that this trade was a non-move for a team that NEEDS to make significant improvements. If that qualifies as me saying I'm smarter than DD, then so be it, but I never said that. Therefore, there will remain a blank next to my name in this thread because I have no idea who fits the bill.

[Sports Guy]

I think this thread is valid in that some posters stated their case in an over the top fashion listing general statistics as the sole component in establishing value. Like you said, we fans can't know what the organization knows.

Well Tony's 2 biggest reasons were increased velocity by Eveland, which is flat out wrong and pitch values from last year...in 29 IP and those values were way worse in the rest of his career.

So you tell me, how are those 2 things valid but stats aren't?

[SrMeowMeow]

Woah woah woah. I definitely think I'm smarter than Duquette. Can you add me to the OP please? I'm offended.

[Peace21]

I miss the days when the OH board was fun and everyone got along.

[Austin]

I miss the days when the OH board was fun and everyone got along.

The funniest/saddest thing is that the Orioles have been bad for so long that there's barely even an internet record of our fans being happy. We've been through multiple technological advances since our last glimmer of hope.

[Scotto]

I miss the days when the OH board was fun and everyone got along.

I hear ya, Peace- but not sure I remember a time when we all got along:D:scratchchinhmm:

[Moose Milligan]

Isn't this the definition of a "call-out" thread?

Anyway, baseball players with the name Dana:

Dana Allison (the man with two female first names): http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/allisda01.shtml

Dana Fillingham: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fillida01.shtml

Dana Kiecker: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kieckda01.shtml

Dana Williams: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willida06.shtml

We're doomed, none of these guys are any good. Clearly Dana is just a bad baseball name. Drungo might be able to contextualize that Dana Fillingham guy for the era he played in, though, so there's a modicum of hope.

This whole thing is actually pretty hysterical, with Tony getting uppity and calling out a long list of posters and SG going apoplectic with anyone who disagrees with him.

We can sit here and and argue about this deal but the bottom line which I think we can all agree on is that this deal didn't make the Orioles any better at all. Not for now, not for the long term...it's a lateral move at BEST.

Unless Dana Eveland can learn a new pitch like Dave Stewart did in the middle of his career, this move was a head scratcher. We need to be making significant strides, not hopping around like a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

[Moose Milligan]

I miss the days when the OH board was fun and everyone got along.

Screw you, hippie.

[Basketeer]

They aren't the same personnel.. or aren't you aware of that? Or, are you aware of it and you think the Eveland deal was a PA mandate?

Let's see, different personnel hired by the same person. Considering none of the front office personnel the last 15 years have produced a winning team, logic would suggest that the people chosen to make the front office decisions are not competent simply by virtue of who hired them!

[Basketeer]

Dana Eveland should be honored to have so much discussion about him.

[murph]

Isn't this the definition of a "call-out" thread?

Anyway, baseball players with the name Dana:

Dana Allison (the man with two female first names): http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/a/allisda01.shtml

Dana Fillingham: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/f/fillida01.shtml

Dana Kiecker: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/k/kieckda01.shtml

Dana Williams: http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/w/willida06.shtml

We're doomed, none of these guys are any good. Clearly Dana is just a bad baseball name. Drungo might be able to contextualize that Dana Fillingham guy for the era he played in, though, so there's a modicum of hope.

This whole thing is actually pretty hysterical, with Tony getting uppity and calling out a long list of posters and SG going apoplectic with anyone who disagrees with him.

We can sit here and and argue about this deal but the bottom line which I think we can all agree on is that this deal didn't make the Orioles any better at all. Not for now, not for the long term...it's a lateral move at BEST.

Unless Dana Eveland can learn a new pitch like Dave Stewart did in the middle of his career, this move was a head scratcher. We need to be making significant strides, not hopping around like a one legged man in an ass-kicking contest.

Best post of the day/week/off season!

[Dipper9]

Aren't we all gonna look like fools when Dana has 15 wins by August!!!!!

[SrMeowMeow]

There's no way to win this argument, BTW. Tony has apparently decided that Eveland's signing means that he's been anointed by our scouts as having some special something that we peons can't see. Therefore, he's automatically elevated out of the crowd of faceless replacement-level pitchers where he belongs.

No, a decent back-end starter is not available for free.

Yes, replacement-level pitchers are available for free. Right now. Tons of them.

And yes, Dana Eveland is a replacement-level pitcher. And the burden of proof is on the people who are flying in the face of his mediocre minor league record and dismal major league career. Not on me.

P.S. If you go back, you will find the exact regurgitation of this argument used to defend Garrett Atkins. Plenty of people argued he was an awful signing. I posted probably 1500 words on why he was not a good bounceback candidate. But some people said "we wouldn't sign him without a plan." Then Joe Jordan said after the signing that he was preparing to watch some video of Atkins. Then Atkins bombed.

[Fan4Life]

Let's see, different personnel hired by the same person. Considering none of the front office personnel the last 15 years have produced a winning team, logic would suggest that the people chosen to make the front office decisions are not competent simply by virtue of who hired them!

Do a search for HO threads prior to 2010 and 2011 where the vast majority thought those teams were .500-ish teams. The horrible play the last 2 years is on the players, not the FO. The previous 12 years... ok

[Crazysilver03]

Aren't we all gonna look like fools when Dana has 15 wins by August!!!!!

That'll account for one-third of Norfolk's total wins.