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I still don't understand where Buck is coming into play here. Is there any evidence that Buck is responsible for the ML stuff?

There was a time that Peter Angelos toyed with Buck being in charge. Either Peter got smart about it or Buck realized that would not be something that he wished to attempt with Peter's team. Buck is not in charge.

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Teagarden was a Buck request. Duquette even said Buck really liked him so they went out and got him.

Absolutely true. Buck specifically asked for him. And Duquette was on the job about a week. I am sure Dan will try to get guys for Buck that he likes.

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I can't imagine he would want to. Duquette seems to respect his opinion greatly.

Thanks. That makes complete sense to me. I never have bought the notion that Buck was the "true" GM. Couldn't catch the exact meaning of your earlier post...

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Matusz and Tillman don't deserve ML spots. They were putrid last year. Guys who showed promise last year are the ones who will be on the ML squad.
We tried that already, and they couldn't hold it together for a full season, or anything close. The best of them will get their chance again, and the others will have to keep pushing or find themselves on the outside looking in. I feel better about challenging these guys to beat out Chen and Wada than I did about forcing them to pitch behind Adam Eaton and Mark Hendrickson.
You haven't blocked them if they prove they belong.

Matusz's season was so horrible last year he doesn't automatically deserve a ML spot.

Duquette and Buck want players to earn their way onto the roster. Just because they have the talent, doesn't mean they get a ML roster spot.

Wada can go to the bullpen, and Chen and Guthrie are the only ones that have roster spots due to their salaries.

The Orioles can easily cut or trade Eveland if they want to. Nobody is really blocked if they show they belong.

Exactly. You can't "block" someone unless you have talent in front of them. If Matusz, Britton, Arrieta, Tillman, etc. perform better than the other guys competing for spots in the rotation, they'll be in the rotation. If they don't, they won't.

So if DD brought in guys who can beat out the guys that were already here, how is that a bad thing? Isn't that the very definition of making the team better? And if they can't beat out the starters but are better bench options than what was already in the organization that is still a net positive.

You guys are looking at this in terms of a general concept.

My points are based on the theory by James. I think the theory is wrong.

Whether he should have brought in more pitchers to send these guys down or not is a different discussion than the point SJ was making.

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This has always seemed to be a shared GM job..with Buck doing a lot of the ML stuff and Duq handling everything else.

between this and DD wanting to blow up the team, I think you're making most of this stuff up. point us to any credible sources that say this is the case. It may be what you think, but not much more.

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between this and DD wanting to blow up the team, I think you're making most of this stuff up. point us to any credible sources that say this is the case. It may be what you think, but not much more.

Did you not pay attention to the GM search and how it was widely reported that Buck was going to have more influence on the ML roster than basically any manager? How he has PA's ear? How the GM job was his if he wanted it? People were comparing it the Angels job, where Scoiscia has so much say.

Are people just forgetting all of that? Are we just going to push aside all of that talk we had on here about whether he would be a good GM or not? Seriously?

And its my opinion that DD would blow the team up. I think he sees that this team needs a lot more talent and more depth. He has talked about needing to build through the system and things like that.

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Did you not pay attention to the GM search and how it was widely reported that Buck was going to have more influence on the ML roster than basically any manager? How he has PA's ear? How the GM job was his if he wanted it? People were comparing it the Angels job, where Scoiscia has so much say.

Are people just forgetting all of that? Are we just going to push aside all of that talk we had on here about whether he would be a good GM or not? Seriously?

And its my opinion that DD would blow the team up. I think he sees that this team needs a lot more talent and more depth. He has talked about needing to build through the system and things like that.

And what about this off season makes you believe that is still the case. Which acquisitions/moves, were at Buck's insistence, inspite of DD's better judgement?
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