Hammel-Chen-Tillman-Britton-Gonzalez

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Wow, it would be so easy to tear your logic to shreds, instead I will offer a couple of effortless elucidations and leave you adrift.

I used the word "picture" and that is exactly what I meant. Think about it.

In your OP, you said all of your listed pitchers have a "pretty high" floor. You later defined that floor as having an ERA+ of 90. If I made a mistake it was in assuming your babble had consistency, my bad.

Do you still think Gonzalez has a floor of 90? I couldn't help but notice how you conveniently ignore that in your hurry to fallaciously pat yourself on the back. Perhaps your unique skill of being able to analyze a pitcher with one look wasn't working that day?

What is laughable about your post is your silly attempt to use one start to prove that Tillman's floor is ridiculously high. Which, if you recall, was the topic of the initial debate.

Beyond that I'm not going to continue to engage you in your petty quibbling. People who ignore parts of their own argument in order to placate their own egos do not deserve a plate at my dinner table.

Adois fool.

Haha, thankfully you make things easy for me. I can just quote myself from July 22nd (pg. 1) of this very thread:

Why? Britton posted a 4.61 ERA in a pretty bad rookie year. That's probably his floor. Hammel at worst probably regresses to the average 90-100 ERA+ guy he was before this year. Chen doesn't seem to me a guy likely to be above 4.50-4.75. Tillman's history is borderline useless because anyone who's watching him knows he's a different pitcher with different stuff. It's as useful comparing his track record with him as it is comparing , say, Brad Lincoln's. Guys with stuff as good as Tillman can pitch badly but still finish with an ERA of 4.50-4.75.

For me that's a pretty high floor. Gonzalez is the only one of those four I'd argue doesn't have a high floor, but you could even make an argument for him.

So much for my "inconsistencies."

Sorry you won't get the *****-fest you're clearly looking for. And tone down the defensiveness, man, you make yourself look like an insecure ass.

EDIT: Go back and read through the thread. The so-called "topic of the initial debate" was never a debate, but a fabrication you and Pickles promptly, and defensively pointed to to try and distract attention from the real discussion. You should work for the Romney campaign...(that damn muslim O'Bama needs true Americans like you fighting against him!)

Also, I love how you and Pickles keep promising to point out my fallacies and logical inconsistencies but have yet to do so, only make absurd straw-man arguments like this one:

What is laughable about your post is your silly attempt to use one start to prove that Tillman's floor is ridiculously high.

Please, man. I brought up this thread again because I thought I had--and still think I have--an interesting point to make, having nothing to do with myself or anything to do with patting myself on the back (as I made a point of staying away from in the initial post), only to have you and Pickles (more you, though, because Pickles has at least shown he can have a debate like an adult instead of doing the online equivalent of flailing his arms around like a hurt little girl and sending me passive-agressive personal attacks through rep) quickly jump in to try and defend yourself on some already incredibly weak and petty point that I never even really argued.

Let others post here. You clearly don't have much to say.

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Anybody else think it's noteworthy that Gonzalez was sick and throwing up the morning of his start (haven't seen anyone post about it yet)? Roch tweeted this, and it actually makes me feel much better about him (I was ready to write him off)..

Tillman battled today in the heat while feeling sick as well. We'll see what Britton can do going forward, but the rotation is doing pretty well when I thought it would start falling apart after Hammel went down.

We'll see if they can hold together. Should be exciting if we can stay near where we are until Hammel comes back. If we trade for a guy as well, we could keep this thing going..

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Anybody else think it's noteworthy that Gonzalez was sick and throwing up the morning of his start (haven't seen anyone post about it yet)? Roch tweeted this, and it actually makes me feel much better about him (I was ready to write him off)..

Tillman battled today in the heat while feeling sick as well. We'll see what Britton can do going forward, but the rotation is doing pretty well when I thought it would start falling apart after Hammel went down.

We'll see if they can hold together. Should be exciting if we can stay near where we are until Hammel comes back. If we trade for a guy as well, we could keep this thing going..

Yeah, helps to explain why his velocity was down a bit today. He sounded pretty stuffed up during his post-game interview.

As for Gonzalez, yeah, I'd rather him get roughed up when he's sick then when he's feeling his best--as that wouldn't exactly bode well--but like some of us were saying in the game thread last night, starts like that will happen for Gonzalez (and for all pitchers, obviously). His margin of error is a lot thinner than Tillman's because he needs to have really good FB command to have success, and he didn't have much at all last night. 4.28 sounds about right for him this year...we'll see if he can keep it up but as I said in the OP he's definitely the #5 of this staff, which is part of the reason why it's nice to have higher upside back-up plans in Arrieta and Matusz.

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I'm fine with this rotation going into next year, especially if you still have Matusz/Arrieta in the pen ready to fill in in case of injury or ineffectiveness. It's a rotation that has a very high ceiling and a pretty high floor, IMO.

I was really impressed by Britton's stuff on Tuesday and I think with his stuff and his really unflappable confidence (something I'm afraid Arrieta and Matusz don't have) he won't struggle to be a success short-term and long-term.

Seems to me acquiring a long-term option like Greinke is actually unneeded and an inefficient use of resources.

Thoughts? I know opinions will vary wildly on this.

Anybody disagree with this now?

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Im okay but Id imagine they will look at Arrieta & Matusz again.

[PaulFolk]

Anybody disagree with this now?

Why would anyone have changed their opinion in two hours?

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Why would anyone have changed their opinion in two hours?

I sure hope they wouldn't, but I've seen a lot of people change their minds in the last 1 month + change (post date: 7-22).

EDIT: That is, I was hard-pressed to find anyone who liked this idea on July 22nd.