Are we trying to get too much pitching?

[weams]

Would Cincy consider just a Bruce and Votto deal for Bedard? I think I would make that trade. If not, what about Bruce and Cueto?

I don't know about Cincy. Weams? Yes, and yes.

[erb8472]

I don;t think the problem is too much pitching as much as it is too many players who need to be on the 40 man roster.

This shouldnt be an issue with some of the names on our 40 man roster imo.

[Sports Guy]

Is that possible?

When you're trotting out Victor Zambrano, Victor Santos and Jon Leicester... I dunno if it is possible.

But at least we have some pitching...We have no hitting.

And I am not saying not to get any pitching.

But the Bedard deal especially must bring back a lot of talent.

Let's just say that we end up trading Bedard for Jones, Butler, Morrow and Sherrill.

We trade BRob for Gallagher, Veal and Cedeno.

Here is what our offseason would have added:

CF- Jones...Great prospect...Would love to have him...Jones, Bruce and Kemp...3 best position players we could walk away with.

LF- Scott...Solid bat but 29 years old.

2nd/SS- Cedeno....Decent glove, questionable bat.

Then pitching:

Butler: Frederick

Sherrill: Closer in BMore

Morrow: Assume starter...Not sure

Patton: Starter

Albers: Should be in pen

Gallagher: Norfolk

Veal: Norfolk

To me, that is a decent haul of players but other than Jones, we don't walk away with anything special. We need more than that.

[erb8472]

I consider Votto and Bailey top talent.

Hamilton has the ability to be a top talent as well.

I hope that they aren't staying away from Votto because they plan on signing Tex.

[Sports Guy]

BTW, the idea that you can never have too much pitching depth isn't true.

You can never have too much GOOD pitching depth.

There is a difference.

[mark_beckens]

Without reading any of the other posts except for the title. You can never have enough pitching, period.

[erb8472]

BTW, the idea that you can never have too much pitching depth isn't true.

You can never have too much GOOD pitching depth.

There is a difference.

Well we currently have some pretty good pitching depth in my opinion.

[Palmer Esque]

I like how people say we have pitching...What exactly do we have, are you telling me any of the guys we have now, except Bedard, can go toe to toe with the best in the Amercian League? The Yanks and Sox young pitching blows ours out of the water. The surest things we have are Markakis and Wieters, both position players, and while we do need a good mix of talent on both sides of the ball, PITCHING WINS and you can never go wrong in trying to acquire as much as possible!

[Sports Guy]

Well we currently have some pretty good pitching depth in my opinion.

And I agree...But now you are asking them to do several other trades.

People are saying to just acquire pitching and then trade it.

Yea, that can happen...No doubt. Pitching is a very valuable commodity.

However, positional talent is total lacking in our system and on our ML team.

We have to add some now.

[Sports Guy]

I like how people say we have pitching...What exactly do we have, are you telling me any of the guys we have now, except Bedard, can go toe to toe with the best in the Amercian League? The Yanks and Sox young pitching blows ours out of the water. The surest things we have are Markakis and Wieters, both position players, and while we do need a good mix of talent on both sides of the ball, PITCHING WINS and you can never go wrong in trying to acquire as much as possible!

You can wrong when you have no hitting.

Yes, Boston and NY have great pitching but their hitting is much better as well.

We have NOTHING in terms of hitters.

[erb8472]

And I agree...But now you are asking them to do several other trades.

People are saying to just acquire pitching and then trade it.

Yea, that can happen...No doubt. Pitching is a very valuable commodity.

However, positional talent is total lacking in our system and on our ML team.

We have to add some now.

I agree and that's why we shouldn't turn our head to adding a guy like Murton. You could obviously DH him.

Votto and and Hamilton would be some nice positional talent to add as well. Not to mention Bailey or Cueto would really add to that Pitching surplus. As wood Gallagher.

[Mad Mark]

But at least we have some pitching...We have no hitting.

And I am not saying not to get any pitching.

But the Bedard deal especially must bring back a lot of talent.

Let's just say that we end up trading Bedard for Jones, Butler, Morrow and Sherrill.

We trade BRob for Gallagher, Veal and Cedeno.

Here is what our offseason would have added:

CF- Jones...Great prospect...Would love to have him...Jones, Bruce and Kemp...3 best position players we could walk away with.

LF- Scott...Solid bat but 29 years old.

2nd/SS- Cedeno....Decent glove, questionable bat.

Then pitching:

Butler: Frederick

Sherrill: Closer in BMore

Morrow: Assume starter...Not sure

Patton: Starter

Albers: Should be in pen

Gallagher: Ottawa

Veal: Ottawa

To me, that is a decent haul of players but other than Jones, we don't walk away with anything special. We need more than that.

Who do we get back from the Phillies when we trade these guys, and why are they sending them to a city where there is no longer a professional baseball club? I am confused!

[Sports Guy]

The thing is, it's not like we're getting guys like Kershaw, Bailey, Adenhart...guys like that. Even though we got pitching depth and are asking for pitching in other deals, it's not elite pitching prospects.

We need ELITE talent back for Bedard and Roberts. At least 1 for Roberts and 2 for Bedard. If AM wants mostly pitching, then I don't agree but OK, but it has to be top tier pitching prospects. Morrow, Gallager, Albers, Veal...these guys are just not elite prospects.

The Marlins got Miller and Maybin, Rangers got Salty, Twins want Ellsbury/Bucholz/Hughes....These are the type of guys we should be targeting, not 4-5 lower tier guys.

Exactly...We are talking guys with ceilings as closers and 3rd-5th starters.

That isn't helping anything. We have guys with those ceilings.

[Sports Guy]

I agree and that's why we shouldn't turn our head to adding a guy like Murton. You could obviously DH him.

Votto and and Hamilton would be some nice positional talent to add as well. Not to mention Bailey or Cueto would really add to that Pitching surplus. As wood Gallagher.

You can't DH him until you move other guys though

[Mackus]

I think we're just targetting the best players from each team. Beyond Jones and Clement (who we don't really need, we'd have to get him and flip him) Seattle's best players are mostly pitchers.