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Woah, woah, I thought we were joking here (in all honesty). Perhaps I missed something, it wouldn't be the first time I've done so in my attempts to promote dissension, rambling, fustian discussion, and generally post-modern message boarding mores.

I don't think you've offended him, BD. I just think he's bowing out gracefully and avoiding the club-y, polysyllabic back-slapping.

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Woah, woah, I thought we were joking here (in all honesty). Perhaps I missed something, it wouldn't be the first time I've done so in my attempts to promote dissension, rambling, fustian discussion, and generally post-modern message boarding mores.

Oh sure, I just don't have the verbal skills to hang with you guys. I'm more of a blunt sarcasm guy.

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I don't think you've offended him, BD. I just think he's bowing out gracefully and avoiding the club-y, polysyllabic back-slapping.

Haha, probably a good choice. Miguel Gonzalez has pretty good stuff tonight. Between polysyllabic back-slapping and nothing I'll take polysyllabic back-slapping, but it's a whole different story when the O's are playing the Yanks.

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WAR...huh, yeah, [but] what is it good for?

WAR ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker. In all seriousness, it's the kind of stat that must be taken with a grain of salt. It's not a problem to use WAR or any other crazy metric, but just know its limitations, as some have noted. This is all about enjoying baseball, and creating new ways to evaluate, analyze, compare and otherwise waste our time, so that we can avoid thinking about the certainty of impending death. Is that SO WROOONG?

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WAR ain't nothin' but a heartbreaker. In all seriousness, it's the kind of stat that must be taken with a grain of salt. It's not a problem to use WAR or any other crazy metric, but just know its limitations, as some have noted. This is all about enjoying baseball, and creating new ways to evaluate, analyze, compare and otherwise waste our time, so that we can avoid thinking about the certainty of impending death. Is that SO WROOONG?

Well done! Bout time someone got this thread back on track with some supernal pontifications! Calls to mind the words of a great mind who once said: "I like a famous line from a great philosopher who said: 'The only way to deal with death is to transform everything that precedes it into art [er, baseball analysis?]'."

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Originally posted by Edmund Husserl

Without troublesome work, no one can have any concrete, full idea of what pure mathematical research is like or of the profusion of insights that can be obtained from it.

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I think that a lot of people confuse accurate mesaurments of past performance verses predictive value when it comes to statistic and player evaluation. And, make no mistake they are very different things. WAR obviously only really looks at a measurement of past performance, and doesn't really claim to have predictive value, but heck, you could say that about any other stat that baseball has used before sabermetrics. However, these days, sabermetricians have created wacky formulas and stats that do their best to predict future performance based on age, durability, and performance in certain areas. But no baseball stat or expert will ever be infallable unless they have a crystal ball, or we use robots to play the game.

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Well done! Bout time someone got this thread back on track with some supernal pontifications! Calls to mind the words of a great mind who once said: "I like a famous line from a great philosopher who said: 'The only way to deal with death is to transform everything that precedes it into art [er, baseball analysis?]'."

In prelapsarian days, all was art, my friend - in other words, I'm assuming Adam and Eve did a lot of baseball analysis, along with apple eating. Adam was a 3 WAR guy, by the way. But that was before the fall.

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