Chris Davis Count Down

[Can_of_corn]

That's because Babe's weight gain was from smoking, drinking like a fish and eating whatever was within arms reach.

Even the Big Bambino himself, Babe Ruth, injected himself with extract from a sheep's testicles, hoping for increased power at the plate (and in the bedroom).

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=12037385

Of course the story is that Ruth, like Roberts, only tried it once...

[Uli2001]

The game is pretty much clean now. Just check the yearly power numbers. They have gone down sharply from the steroid years back to the previous levels. Serious testing and suspensions took care of that. If Davis does it, it will have been clean.

[Can_of_corn]

No They are technically PED's, but there wasn't an inordinate spike in numbers during the era of their use, so they did not impact performance conditions to the extent PED's did, IMO.

So they are, but you think they don't count. I will at least give you credit for admitting they are PED's, that is a lot more then some others.

Well there is no evidence of an inordinate spike due to HGH so is that not cheating?

[calmunderfire]

The record is 73, but it's a tainted record.

The record will never go away because Bonds hit 73 home runs.

[Ommaculate]

Why did McGwire's neck end up looking like a cheese grater?

[calmunderfire]

Why did McGwire's neck end up looking like a cheese grater?

because he cheated

[DrungoHazewood]

Why did McGwire's neck end up looking like a cheese grater?

Why do some people fall into the media's trap of demanding a perfectly even playing field when standards for what constitutes Major League Baseball and what's legal and what isn't and what's acceptable and what isn't have been in continuous motion since, like, 1840?

[DrungoHazewood]

That's because Babe's weight gain was from smoking, drinking like a fish and eating whatever was within arms reach.

Exactly. Nobody ever mentions that absent any PEDs at all Barry Bonds likely would have gained 30, 40, 50 pounds from his teenage playing weight.

[DrungoHazewood]

The game is pretty much clean now. Just check the yearly power numbers. They have gone down sharply from the steroid years back to the previous levels. Serious testing and suspensions took care of that. If Davis does it, it will have been clean.

Maybe. Or Bud unjuiced the ball the allowed to be juiced in 1994 to convince everyone he was the Hero Who Saved Baseball From PEDs.

[centralpaosfan]

Exactly. Nobody ever mentions that absent any PEDs at all Barry Bonds likely would have gained 30, 40, 50 pounds from his teenage playing weight.

I see your point. You don't believe Bonds took steroids?

[anrynike]

Wait a second. Are people arguing that Mcgwire, Sosa and Bonds didn't take steroids?

[DrungoHazewood]

I see your point. You don't believe Bonds took steroids?

He obviously did, and admitted he did. But steriod arguments are rarely about context or evidence. Hence the anti-zit cream like before-and-after pics, the first a blurry pic of some kid who scared the others at their high school, the second of Jennifer Love Hewitt in a bikini. The before pic of the ballplayer is from when the guy was a teenager wearing a uniform three sizes too big, and the after pic is hand-picked from 1000s taken 15 years later to maximize the appearance of size.

[Can_of_corn]

I see your point. You don't believe Bonds took steroids?

I do.

I also think Aaron used.

I think there is proof that Ruth tried.

Pud Galvin admitted to Testosterone in 1889.

[Ommaculate]

The game is pretty much clean now. Just check the yearly power numbers. They have gone down sharply from the steroid years back to the previous levels. Serious testing and suspensions took care of that. If Davis does it, it will have been clean.

Are you sure? What are these steroid lozenges I have been hearing about where the player can ingest them and then test clean the next day?

[Ommaculate]

Why do some people fall into the media's trap of demanding a perfectly even playing field when standards for what constitutes Major League Baseball and what's legal and what isn't and what's acceptable and what isn't have been in continuous motion since, like, 1840?

I have never denied that the older players may have used. But look at Hank Aaron compared to Barry Bonds. It is not completely obvious that Aaron used.