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Most on this board, if I remember correctly, still wanted the Orioles to sign Koji (myself included). He was not terribly expensive, had been lights out for us before, and wanted to come here. You can never have enough arms like Koji, even BEFORE his tremendous success this year. If we had offered 1 year 4.5 or even 1 year 5, he would've been an O.

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It's also easy to remember that bullpens, by nature, are volatile. You can never totally predict the results from year-to-year. Therefore, Koji was a reasonable insurance piece to add.

We thought our bullpen was so good in Spring training we traded one of them to keep TJ. We thought our starting pitching would be so good we didn't sign Saunders. Someone has to make a judgement; we were wrong twice (not that Saunders pitched in 2013 like the answer.).

The key number here is at the bottom of the chart. Orioles had a net income of $20 million, so we should be able to raise our expenses $20 million next year. How much to the current players? How much to someone new? How much do we figure income will increase if we have a team that is more exciting/more winning? Both Boston and New York lost huge amounts of money on paper at least; is that what we want? Boston may get it all back by being in the Series; New York gets none.

In fact, how could Bloomberg do this report before the Series is over? What about all the revenue in October? Or are these by chance 2012 figures?

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Most on this board, if I remember correctly, still wanted the Orioles to sign Koji (myself included). He was not terribly expensive, had been lights out for us before, and wanted to come here. You can never have enough arms like Koji, even BEFORE his tremendous success this year. If we had offered 1 year 4.5 or even 1 year 5, he would've been an O.

Correct, never have enough arms and it would have been nice.

Keep in mind, even if the Orioles had signed him, meant he would have had similar numbers, who knows, maybe he blows his arm out warming up. Hard to play the what if game.

But, I don't think anybody at the time said, Screw it, no Koji, season is over, might as well wait for Football season.

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I think the discuss of Koji is pretty funny. I don't know how many times posters have bulked a paying even 3M for a reliever. Heck posters want to trade Hunter because he is getting to that level. But posters in retrospect now wanted to pay 4-5M for Koji. He wasn't a closer at the time. Just a good reliever that could not stay healthy for the O's or Texas.

Amazing how things change over time.

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I think the discuss of Koji is pretty funny. I don't know how many times posters have bulked a paying even 3M for a reliever. Heck posters want to trade Hunter because he is getting to that level. But posters in retrospect now wanted to pay 4-5M for Koji. He wasn't a closer at the time. Just a good reliever that could not stay healthy for the O's or Texas.

Amazing how things change over time.

But, things never change permanently. change is just fickle and easy for them to find something to complain about. :)

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Correct, never have enough arms and it would have been nice.

Keep in mind, even if the Orioles had signed him, meant he would have had similar numbers, who knows, maybe he blows his arm out warming up. Hard to play the what if game.

But, I don't think anybody at the time said, Screw it, no Koji, season is over, might as well wait for Football season.

It already is football season... I'm a Ravens fan but also a big fan of your QB Griffin III.

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I think the discuss of Koji is pretty funny. I don't know how many times posters have bulked a paying even 3M for a reliever. Heck posters want to trade Hunter because he is getting to that level. But posters in retrospect now wanted to pay 4-5M for Koji. He wasn't a closer at the time. Just a good reliever that could not stay healthy for the O's or Texas.

Amazing how things change over time.

I was all for signing Koji, but I definitely thought that he couldn't pitch more than an inning at a time, or on back-to-back days. So I could see why the O's might have thought he wasn't worth the money. At the time, he kind of seemed like an expensive luxury.

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I think the discuss of Koji is pretty funny. I don't know how many times posters have bulked a paying even 3M for a reliever. Heck posters want to trade Hunter because he is getting to that level. But posters in retrospect now wanted to pay 4-5M for Koji. He wasn't a closer at the time. Just a good reliever that could not stay healthy for the O's or Texas.

Amazing how things change over time.

I think you know what you're getting with Koji in terms of performance - which is to say you know you will get a pitcher that K's a lot of hitters, doesn't walk anyone, and has flyball tendencies. It's not like he's super reliant on his fastball for strikeouts - it tops out at 90. The biggest question mark isn't performance, it's how often he will be available. If getting him to pitch back to back is a chore it becomes problematic to have him in the bullpen.

I think Boston got fortunate that he stayed healthy, but they certainly didn't get all that fortunate for his performance, because he has basically done that every year he's been a reliever in the US.

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I think you know what you're getting with Koji in terms of performance - which is to say you know you will get a pitcher that K's a lot of hitters, doesn't walk anyone, and has flyball tendencies. It's not like he's super reliant on his fastball for strikeouts - it tops out at 90. The biggest question mark isn't performance, it's how often he will be available. If getting him to pitch back to back is a chore it becomes problematic to have him in the bullpen.

I think Boston got fortunate that he stayed healthy, but they certainly didn't get all that fortunate for his performance, because he has basically done that every year he's been a reliever in the US.

Koji was very expensive, prior to his becoming to being the greatest closer of all time. It was quite miraculous that no other team other than Boston could have seen that he would be the most valuable right handed middle reliever in history.

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Koji was very expensive, prior to his becoming to being the greatest closer of all time. It was quite miraculous that no other team other than Boston could have seen that he would be the most valuable right handed middle reliever in history.

Is it? He has never as a reliever had a season, partial or otherwise, where he had a K/9 less than 10. He has only had 1 season where it was less than 11. He has also never posted a K:BB ratio worse than 9 as a reliever. His worst season ERA as a reliever is 2.86.

When he's healthy he's a head-of-the-class reliever.

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Is it? He has never as a reliever had a season, partial or otherwise, where he had a K/9 less than 10. He has only had 1 season where it was less than 11. He has also never posted a K:BB ratio worse than 9 as a reliever. His worst season ERA as a reliever is 2.86.

When he's healthy he's a head-of-the-class reliever.

He was never a healthy back end of the bullpen reliever with anywhere close to a whole season of dependability. He never had shown the ability to pitch multiple days in a row. He was a fragile, sporadic, wonderful guy. Who became the greatest that ever was. Without PEDs. Amazing.

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