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So you trade Hardy and then Wieters and Davis think why sign extensions because they may be next. DD would have shown he is not trying to keep the core together.

Jones, Machado, Davis, Tillman are our core. The smart moves would be...

1. Trade Weiters. Even if he does extend it won't be a good deal for us long term.

2. Offer Hardy a 2/18 extension. If he rejects trade him too.

3. Realize that we're not going to win the WS in 2014 and 2015 is the year we can go for it. We stood pat last offseason and went from a 93 to 85 win team. To win 93 games it took a once in a century bullpen, the sox being down, the rays being down, and the blue jays pre marlins trade. Crap has done changed. To put it lightly.

I'd be all for extending Hardy for 2 years and trading Weiters. Like I said earlier Weiters to the LAD for Pederson and Lee would be ideal. If Hardy doesn't extend maybe him to the Cards for Carlos Martinez and Freese. But I think he would extend.

My offseason would be resign Mcclouth (2/9), Feldman (2/17). Sign Catchers Brayan Pena (1/2), Geovanny Soto (2/6), LF'er Rajai Davis (2/6). Extend Hardy for an additional 2/18. Trade Weiters to the LAD for OF Joc Pederson, and P Zach Lee. Trade Matusz,Britton, T.Wilson to LAA for H.Kendrick.

1.Tillman

2.Gonzalez

3.Chen

4.Feldman

5.Norris

BP:

6.JJ (only 1 year left)

7.Hunter

8.O'day

9.Patton

10.Macfarland

11.Stinson

12.Jones,Belfiore,Gurka,hell maybe even Gausman. (or a vet BP ST invite)

1B:C.Davis

2B:Kendrick(2/19)

3B:Machado

SS:Hardy(3/27 w/extension)

LF:Mcclouth/R.Davis

RF:Markakis (only 1 year left)

CF:Jones

C:Pena/Soto (OPS in 13', Pena vs RH .801, Soto .794 OPS overall)

DH:Urrutia/Valencia

Bench: Soto, Flaherty, R.Davis, Valencia

Our new top 10 would be stacked

1.Bundy (AA)

2.Pederson (AAA)

3.Gausman (AAA)

4.Lee (AAA)

5.Schoop (AAA)

6.Ed Rodriguez (AA)

7.Harvey (A+)

8.Ohlman (AA)

9.Wright (AAA)

10.Walker (AA)

That team pretty much has the same expectations if we were to just keep the status quo and bring back Roberts, Mcclouth, Feldman and not trade Weiters, Matusz, Britton. But boy would it be loaded for the 2nd half of 2014 and poised for an actual division title (Not Wildcard) in 2015.

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Pretty good account of where the O's are by Mark Polishuk. Though I don't think a trade for Howie Kendrick or Rick Nolasco are in the cards. The O's wouldn't want to pay either players contract with all the money the O's will spend to keep their own. Lower cost solutions are more likely.

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2013/10/offseason-outlook-baltimore-orioles.html#more

You know what ticks me off, you could write this same article each year because we always have the same problem. And then I read "O's want TOR starter ,but unwilling to spend money or trade for one" every year also.

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You know what ticks me off, you could write this same article each year because we always have the same problem. And then I read "O's want TOR starter ,but unwilling to spend money or trade for one" every year also.

Yes true, but back in the "dark times" it was even worse because there was nothing on the horizon that said we had a shot in hell of contending. Now we have a legit shot at contending for the next few years and we're falling back on the same awful behaviors. I know it's passe to trash Angelos, but good God almighty. This is bordering on outright contempt for the fanbase.

When a super small market like KC can sign some solid arms and we still sit on the fence it makes me pretty damn frustrated because we have no excuse not to open up the books other than PA's cheapness and reluctance to go into the FA market. 2014 might be the year we take a step backward.

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Jones, Machado, Davis, Tillman are our core. The smart moves would be...

1. Trade Weiters. Even if he does extend it won't be a good deal for us long term.

2. Offer Hardy a 2/18 extension. If he rejects trade him too.

3. Realize that we're not going to win the WS in 2014 and 2015 is the year we can go for it. We stood pat last offseason and went from a 93 to 85 win team. To win 93 games it took a once in a century bullpen, the sox being down, the rays being down, and the blue jays pre marlins trade. Crap has done changed. To put it lightly.

I'd be all for extending Hardy for 2 years and trading Weiters. Like I said earlier Weiters to the LAD for Pederson and Lee would be ideal. If Hardy doesn't extend maybe him to the Cards for Carlos Martinez and Freese. But I think he would extend.

I think I agree with this strategy. As much as I would love to keep Wieters, we also have to keep the long view in mind. If we follow the model of a team like the Rays, we need to be selective about the guys we extend and get the most back for guys that we don't. Wieters seems like our version of Shields--somebody who could net us a top prospect who could help us for 4-5 years. If the Braves don't re-sign McCann, I could see them being interested in Wieters.

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When a super small market like KC can sign some solid arms and we still sit on the fence it makes me pretty damn frustrated because we have no excuse not to open up the books other than PA's cheapness and reluctance to go into the FA market. 2014 might be the year we take a step backward.

MSK

Just for the record, the Baltimore media market and the KC media market are almost identical in size. It's not like we have some huge advantage on them. Not offering excuses, because the O's consistently standing pat is ridiculous. Just saying.

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"We're going to be active in the market, but I'm going to say this every time out: our core players are going to come from the farm system, We have a number of returning position players, but if we are going to continue to be competitive and improve our club, we need to upgrade the quality of our pitching staff."

DD

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/orioles/blog/bal-baltimore-orioles-free-agents-and-chances-theyll-be-back-in-2014-pictures,0,7311779.photogallery#ixzz2jR38pVas

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Jones, Machado, Davis, Tillman are our core. The smart moves would be...

1. Trade Weiters. Even if he does extend it won't be a good deal for us long term.

2. Offer Hardy a 2/18 extension. If he rejects trade him too.

3. Realize that we're not going to win the WS in 2014 and 2015 is the year we can go for it. We stood pat last offseason and went from a 93 to 85 win team. To win 93 games it took a once in a century bullpen, the sox being down, the rays being down, and the blue jays pre marlins trade. Crap has done changed. To put it lightly.

I'd be all for extending Hardy for 2 years and trading Weiters. Like I said earlier Weiters to the LAD for Pederson and Lee would be ideal. If Hardy doesn't extend maybe him to the Cards for Carlos Martinez and Freese. But I think he would extend.

My offseason would be resign Mcclouth (2/9), Feldman (2/17). Sign Catchers Brayan Pena (1/2), Geovanny Soto (2/6), LF'er Rajai Davis (2/6). Extend Hardy for an additional 2/18. Trade Weiters to the LAD for OF Joc Pederson, and P Zach Lee. Trade Matusz,Britton, T.Wilson to LAA for H.Kendrick.

1.Tillman

2.Gonzalez

3.Chen

4.Feldman

5.Norris

BP:

6.JJ (only 1 year left)

7.Hunter

8.O'day

9.Patton

10.Macfarland

11.Stinson

12.Jones,Belfiore,Gurka,hell maybe even Gausman. (or a vet BP ST invite)

1B:C.Davis

2B:Kendrick(2/19)

3B:Machado

SS:Hardy(3/27 w/extension)

LF:Mcclouth/R.Davis

RF:Markakis (only 1 year left)

CF:Jones

C:Pena/Soto (OPS in 13', Pena vs RH .801, Soto .794 OPS overall)

DH:Urrutia/Valencia

Bench: Soto, Flaherty, R.Davis, Valencia

Our new top 10 would be stacked

1.Bundy (AA)

2.Pederson (AAA)

3.Gausman (AAA)

4.Lee (AAA)

5.Schoop (AAA)

6.Ed Rodriguez (AA)

7.Harvey (A+)

8.Ohlman (AA)

9.Wright (AAA)

10.Walker (AA)

That team pretty much has the same expectations if we were to just keep the status quo and bring back Roberts, Mcclouth, Feldman and not trade Weiters, Matusz, Britton. But boy would it be loaded for the 2nd half of 2014 and poised for an actual division title (Not Wildcard) in 2015.

I kind of agree, but I think Hardy needs to be traded now. I would send him to the Cards for Lance Lynn and Kolten Wong. I am fine with Weiters for Pederson and Lee. Signing the two Catchers you mention would work for me. I would not trade for Howie Kendrick, I would put Wong at second base and bat him leadoff. I move Manny to SS and Flaherty/Valencia would hold down 3rd base. The talk in the the Midwest is that Billy Butler is available. If that is indeed the case, I send Schoop, Matusz and Britton to KC for Billy Butler. I would also dangle Jim Johnson, even though the train has likely left the station on a Jim Johnson trade. No need to resign Feldman, Lance Lynn gets his innings. No resign for Brian Roberts and no resign for McClouth. Joc Pederson is ready to play in MLB.

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Masahiro Tanaka will surpass the posting fee and contract of Yu Darvish and become the most expensive Japenese player ever to be posted.

The Rangers won the bidding for Darvish (and subsequently signed him to a six-year deal) by submitting a $51.7MM bid that was more than $20MM more than the second-highest bid, according to Passan. However, one high-ranking NL exec told Passan that he thinks the posting fee alone could reach $100MM.

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Jones, Machado, Davis, Tillman are our core. The smart moves would be...

1. Trade Weiters. Even if he does extend it won't be a good deal for us long term.

2. Offer Hardy a 2/18 extension. If he rejects trade him too.

3. Realize that we're not going to win the WS in 2014 and 2015 is the year we can go for it. We stood pat last offseason and went from a 93 to 85 win team. To win 93 games it took a once in a century bullpen, the sox being down, the rays being down, and the blue jays pre marlins trade. Crap has done changed. To put it lightly.

I'd be all for extending Hardy for 2 years and trading Weiters. Like I said earlier Weiters to the LAD for Pederson and Lee would be ideal. If Hardy doesn't extend maybe him to the Cards for Carlos Martinez and Freese. But I think he would extend.

My offseason would be resign Mcclouth (2/9), Feldman (2/17). Sign Catchers Brayan Pena (1/2), Geovanny Soto (2/6), LF'er Rajai Davis (2/6). Extend Hardy for an additional 2/18. Trade Weiters to the LAD for OF Joc Pederson, and P Zach Lee. Trade Matusz,Britton, T.Wilson to LAA for H.Kendrick.

1.Tillman

2.Gonzalez

3.Chen

4.Feldman

5.Norris

BP:

6.JJ (only 1 year left)

7.Hunter

8.O'day

9.Patton

10.Macfarland

11.Stinson

12.Jones,Belfiore,Gurka,hell maybe even Gausman. (or a vet BP ST invite)

1B:C.Davis

2B:Kendrick(2/19)

3B:Machado

SS:Hardy(3/27 w/extension)

LF:Mcclouth/R.Davis

RF:Markakis (only 1 year left)

CF:Jones

C:Pena/Soto (OPS in 13', Pena vs RH .801, Soto .794 OPS overall)

DH:Urrutia/Valencia

Bench: Soto, Flaherty, R.Davis, Valencia

Our new top 10 would be stacked

1.Bundy (AA)

2.Pederson (AAA)

3.Gausman (AAA)

4.Lee (AAA)

5.Schoop (AAA)

6.Ed Rodriguez (AA)

7.Harvey (A+)

8.Ohlman (AA)

9.Wright (AAA)

10.Walker (AA)

That team pretty much has the same expectations if we were to just keep the status quo and bring back Roberts, Mcclouth, Feldman and not trade Weiters, Matusz, Britton. But boy would it be loaded for the 2nd half of 2014 and poised for an actual division title (Not Wildcard) in 2015.

Must spread rep.

I don't see how we can extend Johnson, Davis, Weiters, and Hardy. Personally, I'm only concerned about extending Davis. I don't have a problem with not paying Johnson $10+M per year. I don't see any way that any contract that Boras is going to accept for Matt is going to be a good value for us. I have no problem with extending Hardy, but I have no problem with turning him into some good players/prospects and moving Manny to short.

It seems like we're (I mean, Dan and Buck are) committed to Johnson for next year. I hope to heck that they are trying to extend CD. That leaves Weiters and Hardy. Of the 4 possible combinations, I'd prefer to extend Hardy and trade Weiters.

I think we can extend Hardy at good value to the team and I do not think we can extend Weiters at good value. I think our defense in the field is amazing partly because of the Manny/JJ left side. When you take into consideration how much emphasis our team puts on tttp - enough to have negatively impacted some of our guys like Matusz - I don't think that Weiters' defense stands out so much. Certainly his offense is somewhat pedestrian (ex the 20+ HR's). Again, Weiters next contract = bad value; Hardy's next contract = potentially good value. We can't extend all 4.

Pederson and Lee sound like a very good idea for Matt. Would the Dodgers have any interest?

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