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Mussina is significantly better than Glavine


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I knew Glavine would be a first ballot hall of famer but the disparity between the two should be noted. These are the career stats (Glavine First).....

Wins Loses IP So ERA ERA+ WHIP WAR

305 203 4413.1 2607 3.54 118 1.314 64.3

270 153 3562.2 2813 3.68 123 1.192 82.5

Glavine compiled these numbers while starting 682 games. He had 56 complete games and 25 shutouts. He won 2 cy young awards.

Mussina started 536 games. He had 57 complete games and 23 shutouts. He won 7 gold glove awards.

Glavine is undoubtedly a great pitcher and deserving of the Hall. He received a vote on 91.9% of all ballots. I am confused why mussina only received votes on 20.3%. It seems the voters would rather he had played a few extra years and accumulated 300 wins while not being as effective. Mussina spent his career in the AL EAST during the steroid era. He pitched against Pedro Martinez and a most likely roided up Roger Clemens. I think Mussina eventually gets in but it may take a few years.

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Not saying he is significantly better, but to be that far off in the voting isn't right. For Glavine to get over 90% and Mussina only 20% is just wrong. Glavine played in the NL east all those years. If you put him and Mussina on the same team, no way does Glavine end up with better numbers.

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It's not Hall of WAR though.

Fame, for better or worse, entails the concept of memorability. And Glavine was a far more memorable pitcher than Mussina was during his career.

And I wouldn't classify Mussina as being "significantly" better than Glavine. Arguably they're pretty evenly matched. You could make the claim that Mussina was slightly better than Glavine, but you can't seriously claim he was "significantly" better than Glavine.

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It's not Hall of WAR though.

Fame, for better or worse, entails the concept of memorability. And Glavine was a far more memorable pitcher than Mussina was during his career.

And I wouldn't classify Mussina as being "significantly" better than Glavine. Arguably they're pretty evenly matched. You could make the claim that Mussina was slightly better than Glavine, but you can't seriously claim he was "significantly" better than Glavine.

This.

It's a Hall of Fame, and because his career is more memorable, he's a first ballot Hall of Famer.

Mussina has HoF credentials, however, he's just not as memorable as Glavine.

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Baseball writers are a bunch of idiots. That's just all there is to say about the Hall of Fame process.

Exactly. I said that last year when they didn't vote anyone that the vote should be taken away from the press. They have no clue to anything about baseball. Let the players, coaches, and general managers vote.

That is the problem with critics of anything. Their main skill is knowing how to write. They don't know how to act, make movies, write music, or play baseball.

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There are a lot of factors favoring Glavine:

- 300 wins (270)

- five 20-win seasons (one)

- two Cy Young awards, and two second-place finishes (one second-place finish)

- ten all-star appearances (five)

I also think the voters found some poetry in voting Maddux and Glavine in at the same time, since they were at the top of the Braves' rotation together for so long.

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There are a lot of factors favoring Glavine:

- 300 wins (270)

- five 20-win seasons (one)

- two Cy Young awards, and two second-place finishes (one second-place finish)

- ten all-star appearances (five)

I also think the voters found some poetry in voting Maddux and Glavine in at the same time, since they were at the top of the Braves' rotation together for so long.

Good point.

Plus, Bobby Cox is being inducted as well.

It's going to be a Braves summer in Cooperstown.

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Interesting fangraphs comparison: http://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.aspx?pos=all&stats=pit&lg=all&qual=y&type=8&season=2008&month=0&season1=1988&ind=0&team=0&rost=0&age=0&filter=&players=0

Comparing all pitchers from 1988 to 2008, (Glavine debuted in '88 and Mussina in '91) Mussina compares favorably and much better than Glavine across the board.

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Mussina was good folks let's not get crazy. Tom is by far a better pitcher.

It's clearly open to serious debate who was better.

By the way, I highly recommend John Feinstein's book Living on the Black, which follows Glavine and Mussina through the 2007 season, which happens to be Mussina's worst year of his career and wasn't too stellar for Glavine, either. It gives you a lot of insight into both pitchers.

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